( Out of character : Been wondering whether I should write this or not.. but guess the idealist in me won the fight as i'm writting this after all.

I've been playing the game for quite some time. I left for almost three years (for personal reasons unrelated to the game) but missed playing it. Eventually returned. Personally I really enjoy it, else I would not be playing it. The concept is great, some mechanics could be this or that, or we could disagree on this or that, but mostly is quite a polished work. Personally, I would love to have some further choices that would force us to pick, instead of being just "great at everything", but it's beholder's idea and concept and their world, and i'm just a guest here The game is rich enough and complex enough. Challenging enough. And it even gets more fun (for me at least) when I rp it.

I would love to have more players around? Definetely. But guess that's not easy as just wishing to be. Most players nowadays want

a) not too complicated things
b) overgraphical things (even if there is nothing behind those graphics)
c) get tired of everything , way too soon and too early (zero patience, zero effort)

The game has a pvp ( player vs player) content. But if fairly minor. There is much more pve ( player vs enviroment) content . Some events are more pvp orientated than others, but even so, most are happy with crystal clones (aka non-playing characters/targets). But.. even so, there is pvp. You can be attacked any time, any moment. Accept it, deal with it. If you can't, then maybe the game is not for you. Nothing wrong with that. The same way I don't like and don't play soccer games (for example). Don't know if Beholder would consider a way to make some doomlords civilians, or what we could consider that, away from daily bloody struggles, although I would consider that it would pretty much kill some of the lore and spirit of the game, of what doomlords really are. The same way a scorpion is what it is, so are galekti.

I don't have much time lately, so honestly have not checked those too far from my character's level range / gap. But been more an underdog than a topdog/alpha all the game. The game allows enough mechanics to play succesfully as an underdog. You will still be attacked, true. And if anyone is complaining about getting attacked with subplasma, I got to say.. well, how to say it without being too offensive, maybe you should consider that this is not a game for you. Subplasma is an ingame mechanic to solve certain problems. If it did affect players more than the message and the "got dragged to torture chamber", with real effect I mean, like losing hit points (making unable to do anything else from being too wounded), or getting your pets obligerated , then it would be a totally different issue. As it is , it's more a mental thing than anything else.

The real game starts afterwards. When you get attacked and take wounds, when your pets can be hurt. Subplasma is a joke. But it is also a good thing. It will warn players that this is a pvp game. It is not one of those games where you can be crushed to oblivion until you can no longer play it, or you can no longer advance, or worse, when you lose things that you already got/achieved. But even so, there are some measures , some lessons to be learnt. Being an underdog takes some attitude too. Accept defeat, improve, learn from mistakes. See and think what you could do better , what other doomlords are doing. You can also try to talk to other doomlords, but remember, that they also have their own will to choose how they want to play the game.

And no, torture chamber gains are neglectable. Even from very active players. An extra? Ok. But nothing that will make you godly just from it. Most high level players you see are strong because they are old accounts, not because they got outrageous gains from torture chamber. As you raise in level and strenght, the gains from most things are way superior. Holding yourself, hiding in catacomb, or not playing because you fear giving away some tiny ammounts of SE to others is hurting your gameplay more than anything else. Fear can kill more than blades. And no, you can perfectly play without needing to use Ancient Stones to prevent attacks. I did not prevent them. I took them. Many of them. My character still gets attacked many times a day. Big deal. I have continued. And many of those doomlords that were once stronger, are still down there. They might feel strong in their tiny world. They might feel powerful in the land of newbies. If they are happy with that.. fine with me *shrugs* The game mechanics does not allow my character , now more powerful than them, to crush them like the bugs they are... but it is fine too. I don't believe in revenge. For me they are nothing. The same way it doesn't bother me when i see a real spider on its cobweb as I move on. Each to their own.

Sometimes I listen to some players complain. Complan about things that they don't like , and yet, they are doing exactly the same they say to dislike to others. So in the end, it might be, that they don't like losing, while they sure enjoy "beating others". Maybe they need to give their own lives a reason. Maybe they enjoy that. Fine, i guess. Who am I to judge them? I know I dislike that, but each to their own. I know why I play this game. Maybe everyone should ask themselves what exactly they are playing it for.

If all your troubles are getting sub-plasma attacked, then my dear fellows, you don't have a clue of what being a doomlord is... and if so, I do wish you the best.

As my character would say.. "until our paths cross again."

Cheers)

although i will agree with you in most things that you say i disagree in some also.i have been playing many pvp games some text based like doomlord some not.i dont have a problem getting beaten or loose fights in normal range(this meaning above my lvl also but in normal range).personally i like this kind of challenge cause makes me thing different strategy,adapt and at sometime win.so dont think that i have a problem losing a fight.getting beaten by someone that is over 200 lvl above me?well this is a different situation.you cannot adapt,you cannot change gear to make a difference basically you only getting being a punch doll for the high lvl that mocks you with his attacks.so there is the first problem
second problem?because manukind didnt like catwoman post and have an argument with her his clanmate start hitting me.there is the second problem.at least for me,someone might enjoy it i dont.i didnt take part on their argument,didnt offend anyone,didnt hit their clan.if you have an argument and you cannot solve it by words and want to attack than attack the one that cannot beat him in words(which by the way this might also mean that you are wrong and you have problem accepting it) not all of his clan just because they are on the same clan.by the way if you cannot handle a conversation dont engage in one.i have read may times catwoman post and didnt refer to manukind.he chose to engage(wchich is his right no one can blame him for that).what was the result?his friend start hitting the whole clan and all have difference more than 200 lvls difference.
"Subplasma is a joke. But it is also a good thing. It will warn players that this is a pvp game".i will agree on subplasma being a joke.you have a normal duel range that include also higher lvl players why bypass that range with subplasma introduction?not enough players on high lvl to complete some tasks?you have introduced crystal clan for that,problem solved.getting hit daily form someone that is 200 lvl above dont remind you that this is a lvl game it reminds you something else.getting fights within a normal range?that is making the difference.you can adapt,you can gear up even your clanmate can help you with support until you come strong enough.that is pvp game.

speaking of lying, i never said enzio lied. i said i made a mistake.

gerald, enzio, "daily" suggests something is ongoing. "daily for four days total" is very different than "daily." regardless, it's all entirely legal. what is your complaint?

gerald, aside from enzio in january, who have i attacked with a scarab? did i hit you? no. did i hit catwoman? no. regardless, it's all entirely legal. what is your complaint?

you could play the game, you could quit the game, but you choose to linger complaining. toward what end? players i once attacked, like Fos and Khine, have earned my admiration. you have chosen a different path.

ok, we're doing this. back to school.

an hypothesis and an assumption are both statements about what you think is happening. how they are used, however, is opposite. an hypothesis is stated with the intent to test it to determine if it is true. an assumption, on the other hand, is accepted as fact without further consideration.

when you have a prediction about what you think is happening, and you are provided information that that prediction is incorrect, and you continue to believe it anyway, you are wrong and willfully so. that's not a good place to be. that is where you are as you stick to your mistaken assumptions.

class dismissed.

""daily" suggests something is ongoing. "daily for four days total" is very different than "daily." you keep playing with words manukind.so do tell after how many days can someone use daily according to you?should i be waiting for a month to hit me everyday before i can say daily?maybe a year?do tell how much should i been waiting?now the fact that after 4 days i become premium and couldmt hit me doesnt change the fact that you were hitting me everyday,right?and before you say i would have stopped after 4 days like you like to say let me break it to you.you could have stopped maye not.i can say thta you wouldnt and you can say that you would and both we will be right.if i was waiting for 6 days and then stopped you could again say that you would stop after 7 days,do you see where is this going?

"when you have a prediction about what you think is happening, and you are provided information that that prediction is incorrect, and you continue to believe it anyway, you are wrong and willfully so".what exactly is the information that i have received that my prediction was wrong?the fact that you said so?lets be serious on that.this is not a mistaken assumption this is a total legit assumption.the fact that you say that you would have stopped,especially when too many players had the same problem with your attacks in the past,makes your saying of little value.

"speaking of lying, i never said enzio lied. i said i made a mistake."honestly seeing your previous comments when someone said that you hit him and you were saying that you didnt unless they post the fights indicated that you would have told the same to me.the fact that i gave you the exact date and time didnt leave you no choice but to admit the fights.

now that we clear what daily and assumption mean now it is class dismissed unles you like to go on circles again.

and one last thing.i have more respect and admiration for players that are on my range no matter if i win or loose from them than players that target opponents that have 200 lvl difference and no fighting chance.

i hope i can find the inner strength to carry on without your admiration.

i am sure you will as i will do without yours.but who knows maybe the other low lvl players you hit fill your need for admiration

i am sure we can survive without your admiration too

great, so are we done here?

depends.are you still trying to convince everyone that you are not hitting low players even when the opposite has been proved already?

i never imagined i'd have such need to use "ad nauseum" until now.

dont be unfair to manukind.manukind dont hit lowl lvl players the game "force" him to do it

i never understood how the game "force"you to attack someone that is 200 or more lvls lower than you

The game doesn't force you to do anything, there are tasks that require you to use subplasma, we chose to complete those tasks or not. It's like regular duels no one forces us to attack other players and steal their soul energy, it's a choice we do. As for what player level to attack I think they have explained their reason, since attacking a player with 200 levels of difference or one with 50 levels of difference gives the exact same soul energy it all comes down to getting active players in the torture chamber, after all one extra soul energy is better than nothing... Personal opinion, it's not worth the trouble, but for someone that is trying to be as optimal as possible it may be worth it.

fos as you said "since attacking a player with 200 levels of difference or one with 50 levels of difference gives the exact same soul energy it all comes down to getting active players in the torture chamber,"since you cannot drag most of the players on the torture chamber due to the scarab there is no point of attacking a low lvl active player you can do the task with an inactive or npc player since as you said you will take the same SE.since the lesser scarb is available on lvl25 you can drag someone to the torture chamber if he is lvl25 at least(maybe 23 or 24 if he have increased the trade skil).but how many active player are below 25?and does it worth to get them to leave just to take 100 or 100 se?if on my lvl i need thousans to increase an ability i think that a vl200 and above must need around a million or more.

Like I said, it's not worth my time trying to figure out who is active and who is not. And you are correct about the cost of abilities it takes me 1.3 million soul energy to increase one point of thaumaturgy with 95% cost reduction.

so does it worth to hit someone that is 200 lvl below you(and to be clear and dont mean you i mean any 200 lv and above player)?even if you drag a lvl 25 or
below on the torture chamber how much se you could get?for sure not more than 200 or 300 SE which even for my lvl are not enough to buy a healing portion not to increase an ability

i do not target low level players. i settle for them when bigger torture chamber meals are unavailable. i am the bear, and you are the berries i eat until i can find a more sustainable meal.

i spoke to my clanmate. she explained that low level targets are good for completing her quests. helpful to her and harmless to you seems like a pretty good deal to me.

she also indicated that she hit neo a grand total of twice (on 2/19 and 2/20). i would say that "daily" is not a accurate characterization of twice.

manukind although i didnt ask to tell anything to your friend let me inform you thta the only reason your frind "stop" hitting me is because i became premium and even if she wanted she couldnt.i owuld not ont he path to debate that she would stop or not,i really dont care anymore.but 2 hit on a row means daily no matter how you wana call it.youmean that if it was 6 days iin a row or 14 days in a row then it could be daily?you really try to eliminate whta daily mean.so regarding the daily it seems that we will never agree.but i ask you this.after how many days can i say that someone hit me daily?
as for the bear and the berries i hope you understand not only how insulting it sound but that you again ignite fuzz and after you will complaining why this continues.
"low level targets are good for completing her quests" let me remind you that a lvl348 have plenty inactive targets to coplete her task so sinnce she gains nothing more i cannto understand why to target the few active players that still remain on the game.