I made an ability points page. It is under further development atm.

Idézet: stekkos - 2010.11.13. 10:59:42

Can anyone pronounce that?


Thanks, I added these quests. Looks like the modifications to the repeatable quests introduced in the Hungarian worlds are not here yet. Anyway, the Quest page is complete now, you can continue adding the hints.

Kethios, I set up the page for the abilities, you can start working on it.

What modifications to the repeatable quests you mean?

There have been some changes in the Hungarian worlds in order to make the repeatable quests more balanced. Some became easier, others harder and a new one was introduced too. (kill 2 entities) But some of the regular quests have been changed too. I guess they didn't have time to apply those changes to Doomlord yet. But it won't be hard to update the list when they do it.

Where can I find my ability points page?

Okay I found it. I finished the Abilities page.

Nice, thank you for that.

Since on the quest hints i use skill references a lot, its good if you link those references to the corresponding skill page

I added the skills page, but for now that's all I could do, I'll add the individual skill pages later today or tomorrow.

I was just suggesting a future project, not an urgent one

Yes, I know. BTW, you can look up the skill IDs at the skills page and insert links as you go to the quest hints using the following syntax: [[[skill1 |Creative affinity]]]. This is a link to the internal page called skill1, with the label Creative affinity. (skill1 being the skill ID used on the site for this skill) Don't worry if they show up red, they'll change to normal after I create those pages.

Please check out my wikia too. I haven't advertised it because I am very new to website creation and I didn't want to release it when it's in such a state, but it's counter productive for 2 people to do two websites!

http://engdoomlord.wikia.com/wiki/Doomlord_Wiki

Like I said, early stages, things are jumbled up but I think the Hungarian wiki is boring. The wikia I am creating is virtually another advertisement for the game, instead of just raw data which would switch newcomers off.

I am stuck using a google translator, so there are parts which I am unsure of. I am creating creating a clear list of things that need to be done and the aim is to get everything the Hungarian wiki has but better.

The data where it is simply copy and paste (quests, skills, items etc) is missing, but that doesn't take much time at all and it will not take long to complete, especially with me being so active on it.

Please let me know if it is worth carrying on with this site or if I should just help out with yours.

Well, as already several people's hard work is in this project, it wouldn't be fair to close it now. Also, while as you say, it's boring like all wiki pages, the goal isn't to entertain but to provide structured, transparent information for those who want to find out more about the game's mechanics. It's not primarily for beginners, although I think they can also find what they want to know, but they will probably come to these forums to ask first. The purpose of this page is exactly what you say, to provide raw data for those who need it. (and I think there are people who need it) If I understand correctly, your page is intended to be primarily an advertisement for the game, which means that it has a different purpose. It's mainly to attract new people and to offer guides for beginners. Therefore, I don't think it's counter-productive to keep both pages going. But of course, if you want to join our project, you're welcome. Any contribution is much appreciated.

The several people's hard work in your project has amassed to 13 completedish pages whereas mine comes to 14 completedish pages. Of course that is a close figure, I'm just showing how much effort has gone into both wiki's. I can fairly easily get another 10 completed filling in the data (items, quests skills). But yes, I guess they are for different purposes, I just wanted to work with the Hungarian Wiki and expand on it with a more diverse website creator.

I want the wiki to have all the information on the game, but with a little spice too. As a result, it would not be just to attract new people at all, but would offer a wealth of information to the existing veterans of the game: The Hungarian Wiki but with tips from the actual players included. I see no point in closing down either wiki either, I think it would be great if they were both there for players to choose from.

Ideally, we could get Beholder to link to a site as an official doomlord wiki (a tab under the misc section?), so it does give an area for newcomers to explore. Personally, I think they should've done this with the Handy Doomlord Lists site, but I never got round to suggesting it.

EDIT: I am creating a link to your wiki under the External Links

Idézet: Phalanxii - 2010.11.15. 16:29:04
You make it sound like this is a competition of some kind. Besides, the amount of work can't be measured by the number of pages. (But if you insist...the 'items by level' list alone comprises 90 pages - so far. And those are not only "completedish".)

Anyway, as I see it, you have an idea of your own, which differs from what our project intends to do. For now, this project is going to stay on wikidot, in its current layout. The main focus here is to deliver information, and to do that in a well-organized manner. I think the Hungarian wiki does that, and I don't see the need to do more in this project either. I really don't want any debate on which is more useful, your approach or ours. Each is useful in its own way. It depends on the audience, right? Some might like this, others might like that. We can cooperate, sure, but merging the two projects is not really a possibility, producing eye candy is not what we're here for. BTW, did you see ChaoticGemini's site? That is a lot closer to what you intend to create, maybe you should contact her in order to join your forces.

Otherwise, if I can help you with something, I'm available here. Thanks for linking us, I'll do the same for your site.

Part of me is creating this site as a challenge and to learn something new, like a personal project rather than an information source, so I'll be sure to help with your wiki too, as it is definitely a more official guide and I'd like to be part of that too.

I have seen her site, I think it's fantastic. Though the site is not really mine, I would love to kickstart a community which could help build it, but I'm not sure it will ever take off.

I look forward to the day when players across the worlds can read a full English wiki and we can catch up to the insider knowledge of the Hungarian players

Yes, that's the ultimate goal. I have a lot of other things to do, that's why the translation process is not going faster, but we'll get to the end of it sooner or later. I was hoping to find some people here who speak both Hungarian and English to help me with the translations, but apart from Kethios, it seems like there aren't many Hungarian players around.

I could use a lot of help in expanding the adventures list (don't forget the IDs if you want to send in some adventures ) and also the creature list. Although I have made important progress with the creatures, I got stuck a bit lately, and I don't get much help with them. Those are the areas to which anyone can contribute if they want to.

Stekkos, could you please check the repeatable quests again? As Miklós wrote, they were changed today. They were probably changed like on the Hungarian worlds, but I want to make sure before starting to edit them.

I will as soon as i am done with my current one

Ok, am done. Here is the new repeatable quests list

Increase the level of your pets by 10!
Hunt down 20 lesser monsters!
Destroy 25 creatures coming through the Dimension Gate.
Stun your opponent 40 times in your duels you initiate!
Squeeze the soul-energy of a pet which is at least level 20!
Get 7 items from dimension gate opponents!
Get 20 burnt-out ancient stones in your hunts!
Deal 15 critical spell damage in duels you initiate!
Complete 15 adventures from now on!
Destroy 2 entities from now on!
Deal critical damage 60 times in a dual you initiate!