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Please choose what you opted for.

I took different paths on different worlds but on w1 its the dagger:)

Quote: dark22 - 2010.11.30. 20:01:03


I went for trade myself.

Did some calculations and the value of the SE reducing items don't seem very worthwhile. Considering it's a minuscule 3% (at best), it saves the owner 30k SE when 1mil SE are spent, whilst on the other hand the value of the +trade keeps increasing even when the max skill level is achieved.

That's like saying the +3% to hunts is rubbish... I mean an extra 30k for a million SE from hunting?
We're all beggars here, that 30k SE makes all the difference. It's what I love about this game, there are so many variables that there's no way anyone will master it. Therefore, if you make a mistake, you can still catch up to your competitors.

I don't understand the logic behind the +30 trade keeps increasing? Those items actually cost you more, though they will help you win more battles if that's what you mean. However, the belt, will that effect not increase? Say you're at level 100, it costs 9900 SE (no ultraspec or anything else) and you get the 3% discount, that's 9603 SE (297 SE saved). Then at level 145, it costs 20925SE, 20297 with the belt (728 SE saved).

I did go for trade last time though (wish I went for the +SE from hunts) and got +20 so I won't bother going with that again.

EDIT: Also, note than different people from different servers will vote differently.
For example, the horn won last time on server 2, meaning it is unlikely to come 1st the second time round. On server 1 or 3, it may be a different case with it coming last (or something similar with different items). So I wouldn't trust this data too easily...

I didn't say it's rubbish mate. But 30k SE out of 1mill is quite weak; at least from my perspective. Granted, every drop counts from another perspective.

In regards of the +30 trade, it's true that the higher level items cost more; yet they provide a consistent advantage over the opponents in your level range. If the gap is large enough, an average builder might even stand a chance against a spider; which will in turn save the builder more than 30k SE in 1mill.

Comments and constructive criticism are welcome, so post away.

as a newbie startng the game just as the last map event started and not doing it i found not having that trade belt put me at a huge disadvantge and have kicked myself ever since, alot of top players done the trade event then and having access to that higher level equip gave them a huge advantge that even now im still sruggling to catchup on, no matter what i spend om trade those guys with those belts all get 2 or 3 more level shigher equip than i can get

the other things are prob all worthwhile getting but i firmly belive the trade belt giv es the best adavanatage short term and long term until trade is maxed out.

there are plent of ways to reduce c ost of skills and attribs and increase value of hunts but trade is pretty much pure SE and levels only

IMO the trade relic has much more value to any level player than anythign else available in the event.

and that 30k can be wiped out in 2 or 3 duels with someone having benefit of higher level equipment.

im with Lydon, 30k is peanuts:)

I guess that all depends on perspective. Trade belt is obvously excellent for people focusing on duels. But lets take me for example, I have positive SE diff and positive duel win/lose ratio.
In my opinion +30 trade does me aps nothing. I would still win against people I win now and I would still lose from people I lose now even with +3lvl equipment.
On the other hand any other bonus, be it skill, hunt or spec ability is just that...a bonus to me. I m not looking at it for quantity of a bonus, but merely would it help me or not:)

It depends completely on your status in the game. At the highest levels, SE is harder to come by since most people are very careful with their SE whereas if you are borderline with everyone and there is plenty of SE to go around, then yes, the trade skill would be very helpful.

When dueling is not so profitable, i think the +hunt is the best but will probably do pretty badly this time round since its big success last time (speaking for world 2 only).

Quote: Phalanxii - 2010.11.30. 23:32:13

The hunt relic is actually the worst by a significant margin. If you assume a player has maxed out all relevant skills, the hunt relic takes you from 200% (with spectral manipulation) of your base SE to 203% (for first place). So that's a marginal improvement of 1.5%. The ability relic takes you from 70% ability cost (with ultraspecialization) to 67% (again, for first place). That's a marginal improvement of almost 4.5%. Similarly, the skill relic takes you from 75% (with transplantation) skill cost to 72%, for a marginal improvement of a little over 4%. So if you spend at least 1/3 of your daily hunt income (not including squeezing) on skills or specialized abilities, you come out ahead with the skill/ability relic compared to the hunt relic.

Ahh. I never thought of it like that...

I've gone with the belt anyway, since the benefits from it will last forever, while the skills will only last until 1000-2000.

on W3 that trade relic is worth 180,000SE approx to me at my curren t level.

on W2 that trade relic is worth 380,000SE approx to me at my curren t level.

i could spend a fraction of that on either world to increase spec man or squeeze and get more benefit than the hunt relic wil give me plus i get the defence and attack value of those extra 3 levels of equip.

I joined in for trade. 800 CSP and 300 PP.

800cs what??

Quote: stekkos - 2010.12.01. 12:37:55


Probably 800 AP and 300 DP.

Oh sorry... I was on the HUN forum aswell and we call the action points "cselekvés pont"=CSP.

@ImLittleJon:
According to my observations (I have the excel spreadsheet with my hunt results), the bonus from the hunt relic is applied on the whole hunt (aka multiplicative with spectral manipulation bonus). So it's real 3% gain, not 1.5% when SM is maxed.

Quote: Hrus - 2010.12.02. 11:21:14

One of my Hungarian clanmates talked to the programmer who said it worked the other way. There's always the possibility of a miscommunication, what with the language barrier, but I'm operating on the assumption that it's 1.5%.

A total of 213 players are participating in world's 1 event.

Out of how many thousands of players?

Quote: LydonB - 2010.12.06. 16:39:19

and 237 in w2