Quote: Cruel01 - 2011.08.13. 16:59:01

Oh, I see. We are talking about the same but you call it "size of the squeezed pet", and I got used to just "random variation".

Anyway, my data is very limited. Yesterday I squeezed a pet level 41 to do a quest - and it gave me ~15.5k SE. According to the equation, this gives "Base SE" ~ 450. Is that in line with pet base level of 21?

Your figures are music to my ears
For a lvl 41 pet with a base lvl of 21, a 15,500 Squeeze represents a constant of 22.03, which is way above the 7-13 I have been finding. I will do more tests, but it seems the formula really is wrong.

P.S. I remembered I had done a 500 hunts database and went to check. Using the basic formula (Base SE * constant), the constants I had found (and it is also easy to figure out the Base SE on regular hunts) was:
Tiny: 5-7
Lesser:7-9
Normal:9-11
Greater: 13-17
Huge: 18-22
Gigantic: 30-33
That left me completely confused regarding the constants for the squeeze...lol
Well, as long as higher level pets pay more, I don't really care. As a matter of fact, I do, as I believe the game formulas should be disclosed. But that is a different story.

Cruel.

Quote: Cruel01 - 2011.08.13. 18:20:56

Which one (formula) is wrong?

SE from squeeze = Base SE * (1+0.2*Squeeze level + 0.5*Pet level).
It seems 0.5*Pet level is too low.

Cruel.

Quote: Cruel01 - 2011.08.13. 18:49:26

Which brings us back to my question - what is Base SE in the equation?

I have been under impression that this is SE from hunt when you meet normal creature of a given base level, without any modification from skills, buildings or artifacts. Now, my calculation show that for level 21 creature base SE is 450 (plus-minus random factor). Does this seem too much or too low? I don't remember my loot and skills around lvl20 to compare...

Now at level 43 I have an average hunt loot of aroung 500 (if substract skills bonuses).
From what I squeeze (untrained pets only) I can estimate "Base SE" as 430-490 (VERY roughly as I do not average nor collect all the figures). This seems very close...

Finally, base SE for lvl 21. is from a single trial, while data for 41-45 creatures is an average result. Maybe I was just very lucky when squeezing that trained pet? More info of squeezing trained pets would be nice to look at

As I said, I have squeezed and saved the date for 90 squeezes. All from pets with no training. And the results vary from a Base SE of 459 for a base lvl 65 pet and 857 for a lvl 63 pet. Using the constant methodology, these figures are equivalent to 7.06 and 13.60 respectively.

Using the given formula for squeezing, your pet had a Base SE of 463, which is 22.03*Base lvl. This is clearly out of the 7-13 range, which indicates the formula doesn't apply.
I will make more tests anyway.

As per the squeezed pets having size, I am confused. It seems I have squeezed pets slightly smaller or bigger than normal, but I definitely have never squeezed a Gigantic or Huge creature.

Cruel.

Aha, now I see what you mean. I am taking a break to think this over

I am really frustrated.
Finally got my +20% SD essence. Used it. Then used a Detect Traps essence to go do adventures. To my surprise, one essence erases the other, as it seems I can only have 1 active essence at a time.

!!&$%#%$!^@%#$!#&

THIS SORT OF THING SHOULD BE ADVERTISED IN CAPS IN THE ALCHEMY LAB.

I am really pissed.

Cruel.

Are you sure the SD essence time limit did not JUST expire? Although i am sure you would notice that if it was so simple...

Regardless of this issue, i would advice you to save all essences you get until you hit Alchemy lab level 50. Then you can use them to get PERMANENT bonuses like:

From now all your pets skill maximum increased by 10.
Pet training time is halved, it's SE cost is reduced by 25%.
Increasing abilities costs 1% less.