Hozzászólások - Viridel

Idézet: ChaoticGemini - 2010.09.07. 16:38:30

Okay, I'll take a bite into this. Even though, I went to wikipedia and google and typed in exactly "ffvii" and it straight spat out final fantasy 7 the playstation game as first result ( google ) and straight to the article for the game ( wikipedia ). From the look of some of the posts in this thread, it is starting to seem like 'if the moderators/evaluators came up with it, thus it is automatically accepted' while everyone else might as well be attempting to win the lottery.

There is no 'database' of questions already 'put in' the game ( doesn't need the answers just the questions ) to properly go by, let alone look up to see if the question made it in. As an earlier post said in this thread, half the questions could be considered 'special group of people have knowledge of' excused. I'm tempted to copy and paste all the questions I get ( and ask clannies and other members I meet like a database in the duel randomizer thing ) to message me the questions they come across and see just 'how many questions' can easily be interpreted 'special group of people have knowledge of'.

When talking about and increase from a total of 110,000 votes to 160,000 then yes, obviously there is something fishy (if there is no external factor) but I mean come on, we're talking about 18 votes here. The chance of 4 consecutive people sharing the same opinion is far from astronomically small. Read up on a how to evaluate a scientific study and I'm sure one of the first things they'll say is that the bigger the number, the more reliable since fluctuations/anomalies always occur.

Viridel, what conspiracy theory are you saying?????

Its just a poll, if we or the game admins did not agree we would just say so. Why are you suprised players might actually not like the idea?

So I choose to do an adventure.
First I use up 9 crystal points.
Then I lose 494 SE

Then I get the question:

Quiz: How many of Carl Lewis' Olympic gold medals were won in long jump competitions?

I put the answer as 4 but...


Wrong answer, the correct answer was: 3.

So which of these 4 times did not count? 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992? I keep adding them up and it always comes to 4!

I checked with the IOC (International Olympics Committee). This is the page I got:

http://www.olympic.org/en/content/All-Olympic-results-since-1896/? AthleteName=&Category=&Games=&Sport=1313725&Event=349877&MenGender=true&WomenGen der=false&MixedGender=false&TeamClassification=false&IndividualClassification=tr ue&Continent=&Country=&GoldMedal=true&SilverMedal=false&BronzeMedal=false&WorldR ecord=false&OlympicRecord=false&TargetResults=true

4 (that's FOUR) lovely pictures of Carl Lewis against each of the FOUR gold medals for long jump he was awarded.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!!!

There is no point having 'experts' to accept questions if they are NEVER checked. It takes seconds to check such a straightforward question. DO IT!! Or ask people, like those who post here, to do it for you. We care. We bother. You don't.

Now give me back my crystal points and SE. You can't? Then resign and let people who can do the job do it.

Idézet: Viridel - 2010.09.05. 05:17:48

Umm, I wouldn't say there is much player response either. Four people and half of them a quiz evaluators trying to make things better for everyone.

oh, and as of right now, 16 votes.

any ideas on this quest ? Let your trained pet make more damage than you in 5 battles!

Yes, this is a re-post... But here's where it belongs, and hopefully it won't get buried under a pile of rubble like everything else in the Quiz topic does.

Ok, here's my suggestion, formulated over time as I've become more familiar with how the quiz system works as a whole.

a) Each question gets reviewed by 2 NA, 2 Euro and 1 International - simple majority rules. If one marks the answer as wrong or two mark it as ambiguous, the question is tossed immediately.

b) More Mods - Way more Mods

c) Questions get reviewed separately from the Hunt - so a wrong answer doesn't penalize a Mod 10%, and there is no 5 minute limit. Approved Moderators would access a separate screen (like a button in the Misc. tab) and be able to access the question queue that way. Therefore, when a Mod wants to answer questions, they can. When they don't, they won't.

d) Mods get 1/2 their level (rounded up) SE for each question they moderate - regardless of whether it's approved or rejected.

e) Space for comments on the question (so users can actually know why the question was rejected). A Mod rejecting a question MUST leave a comment.

f) The ability to make rudimentary spelling & grammar corrections. People should not be punished for simple "oops" typos, or for being English-second-language!!!

g) Anyone reaching the 10th level (or higher) can apply to be a Moderator, provided they are English-first-language (or at least very proficient).

h) Moderators who fail to achieve 60% (or a different number to be determined as we go along) "agreement" with their fellow Moderators will lose the opportunity to continue Mod'ing for 2 weeks, then 1 month, then permanently.


Left lots of space for people to comment as they see fit

Idézet: V3nG3nC3X - 2010.09.01. 18:38:27

You did have a spelling error. Minor, negligible even. But you did have one, and you did not loose the right to re post so no reason to behave as if they robbed you!

I have just recently been rejected again for a question on a similar topic to ones I have written before and those where accepted so why was this one rejected with the 'According to evaluators only a special group of people might know the answer.' when the question was What teacher in the Harry Potter series taught Harry Occlumency? Which is snape since old dumbles forced harry to go. But on on before it I asked What is the Real name of Lord Voldemort? With of being Tom Marvelo Riddle so I ask why did it accept the voldemort question and not the occlumency question. I swear ever darn question I make is one that should be known and they keep coming back with them being bad. So please either explain to me why they where rejected logically or fix just who is evaluating them because it is really pissing me off. Thank you in advance, Alucarde

Thanks for the nice and civil words.
If the "Aramaic and Hebrew" doesn't give away the fact that "ethnic" in this case is Jewish then I don't know what would.
As to the validity of calling it an ethnic celebration in the 1st place: not all Jews are ethnic Jews, and the celebration is a religious one.
Had the question been "... what religious celebration ..." it would have been correct, and a good question.

"ethnic celebration" sorry I was under the impression Bar Mitzvah was a Jewish celebration, celebrated by all Jews not only ethnic Jews (people descendent from the Israeli tribes)
(yes I hate misplaced political correctness, and calling a Jewish celebration an ethnic celebration is misplaced in this context).

Idézet: stekkos - 2010.09.01. 13:47:57

ok, I've finished musical highschool, together with gymnasium, and I've personally never heard of her. So, could you tell me what is she famous for?

(googled it with np, but that's for that other debate...)

Who was the first player ever to be selected in NHL Amateur Draft?

Guy Lafleur
Peter Mahovlich
Bobby Orr
Garry Monahan <- being correct answer

The question is valued as "Bad, incorrect question"!
According to evaluators only a special group of people might know the answer.


So, according to this evaluation only a special group of people might know what National Hockey League is, right?

Idézet: stekkos - 2010.09.01. 13:07:04

It actually does. It's an idiom. Grammatically, it shouldn't be valid, but it is common usage, at least in the US.

What number is basketball star Michael Jordan famous for wearing on his shirt?
24
23
22
21

Give a bit more spaced appart answers please

My initial thoughts are. . . I'm not sure that is a good idea. I can make all kinds of useless, extreme special knowledge questions pop-up at the top of the results page. It does not mean it's a good question or that anyone should bother to knowing it. I think we will get a whole new group of people complaining if we let in trivial things just because they can be googled. It's a quiz (mind) challenge, not a search (computer) challenge.

This also leads to wrong answers from the user-generated trivia sites. (Yes, several of the sites that people steel questions from are wrong.) I just had an example of this: "Around 400 BC, the talented Chinese artisan Lu Ban made the first known ...?" The very first result is the exact worded question. Problem, according to the Drachen Foundation (non-profit educational corporation, devoted to the increase and dissemination of knowledge about kites worldwide) states "The first unambiguous reference to a kite occurs in Chinese literature from about 200 BCE; the kite itself is almost certainly older. We know that kites spread throughout Asia via known trade routes: they were present in Japan and Korea by approximately 1000 CE, and commonplace in Malaysia, Indonesia, and Thailand by the 1500s. But where did the kite first appear? It was likely in the islands and peninsulas of the Pacific, where the needs of seafaring cultures could have driven the development of simple, utilitarian leaf kites for fishermen." Now, I would take the word of an international organization aimed at preserving history and education over the word of a made-up "fun trivia" site that has written countless wrong or misleading questions.

Also, do you realize that the copy and past function for the quiz olympics is going away? So, all the "easy google" questions will need to be known be everyone to compete.

Now, I will say, I have evaluated questions that I thought 'who in the world would know that' only to find an entire page of results with common & credible sources. In those case, I just chalk it up to outside my realm of knowledge, but let the question in. On the flip-side, I have had some questions that seem like they may be interesting and fairly easy to find an answer to, but after frantic searching, I cannot find a correct answer, I have marked that question as special knowledge. So, in a way, the ability to find an answer does come in to play. I just hate to see the quiz flooded with every book/song title known to man, obscure word definitions, quotes by Jim-bob's brother's second cousin, etc. just because they can easily be found on google.

Obviously, I would follow whatever is decided, but that's my opinion.