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Dionysos, you keep saying it's already been answered. try this little experiment. respond to this post with your answer and nothing else. the harm caused to your character by being dragged into a torture chamber via subplasma is what? you can't answer because there is none, literally none. as in totally harmless.

olethros, i do not oppose subplasma range limits. i've even suggested them before (scroll back). but i also see them as unnecessary given the total innocuousness of these attacks.

i cannot speak for others, but if i am filling my torture chamber, i would rather fill it with active players than inactive players. and when high-level players are unavailable and mid-level players are unavailable, low-level players are better than nothing.

Urul, the absence of the subplasma reports might have been a solution had they never been available in the first place (like minion attack reports), but i agree that removing them isn't much of a solution.

Urul, you still didn't answer. what is the effect on the defender who is pulled into the torture chamber via subplasma?
answer: there is no effect. you may be annoyed or insulted or feel violated, but there is literally no effect. in game terms, it can be safely ignored.
i will decide for myself if it's worthwhile for me to make subplasma attacks, a perfectly legal use of an item intended to allow attacks outside of the normal range.
my question for you and for everyone who seems to have a problem with subplasma attacks remains what is the effect?
and the reason it's hard to answer is because there is none. this entire complaints forum is full of ...hurt feelings.

Urul, what is the effect then? how does being dragged into the torture chamber via subplasma affect you? no damage, no lost SE. so what exactly is the ruinous effect?

i do not believe so.

it affects you just as much as your avatar does.

being dragged into the torture chamber has no effect on you.

i agree the types of reports we get are not entirely consistent, but subplasma attacks and being dragged into a torture chamber have absolutely no effect on you.

nick7, yet people do not complain about minion attacks, where there never was a report and the attacker benefits while the defender suffers no harm.

prasinos, you forgot the part about players throwing a fit about a game mechanic that has so little impact on them that they don't know it's happening unless there are reports, and still carrying on even without reports. for all you know, subplasma attacks have ceased.

john wick, it very much did start with complaints over subplasma attacks. read the previous 70 pages. it recently restarted over the reports. do you know why the reports disappeared? maybe because of all the complaining over the previous 70 pages.

do you know what happens to low level players who don't like getting attacked but focus on their growth instead of complaining? they become too powerful to be attacked.

i neither said anything about banning nor did i mock anyone. incessant complaining leaves one vulnerable to mocking. the best way to shut someone up is to win.

Neo2022, this did not start out as a discussion about missing subplasma reports. this began with complaints and has returned to complaints. i would agree it's rarely been constructive, and it's not at all constructive at the moment.

a subplasma attack that literally does no harm should not be ruining anyone's game. if it does, look inward.

zodiac1, no, you don't. i'm sorry. i wish you well.

nick7, we have different strategies. i don't use subplasmas daily like gasgamar does. but gasgamar has every right to do so. and gasgamar's primary point couldn't be more spot-on. the best way to defend yourself is to get stronger. it's a pvp game, stop hiding, stop complaining, and play, play well. i look forward to the day when you all rise into my normal range, and we won't need subplasmas to test our strength.

on a personal note, bickering aside, if zodiac1 has some real life issues, i'm sorry and i hope they get resolved. the only mention of catacombs prior had been about avoiding subplasmas. obviously, there could be other reasons, but that wasn't the narrative we were hearing.

you guys have said repeatedly that you're hiding in the catacombs to avoid subplasma attacks.

zodiac1, nope never said that. your behavior is hiding in the catacombs instead of playing the game over a non-issue and then whining about it in the forum ad nauseum over years.

zodiac1, when did i say i'm opposed to more limits? i've even suggested them to Beholder in the past, despite the fact that they wouldn't serve my personal interest. what i said about limits is that they are unnecessary - because subplasma attacks are harmless. and frankly, if i were Beholder, i'd be worried about acquiescing to your demands because it's likely to reinforce your behavior. you want to know who's damaging the game? look inward.

zodiac1, as i said, there is no harm and no benefit to the subplasma target. so, no, i wouldn't say they are learning anything from the duel except perhaps humility.

cheating? the admins hid irrelevant information just as they never showed also-irrelevant information like minion defenses. no one is cheating.

i'd say "petty" is pretty generous way for me to characterize something that's completely moot that you've been complaining about for at least 7 years. subplasma attacks are less than trivial to the defender. they are literally nothing.

the level difference in subplasma attacks is irrelevant because there is no harm. so, no, i do not see any need for Beholder to make changes. subplasmas still function effectively at providing additional targets.

the level difference is important, however, for normal attacks because there is harm.

what makes you think Beholder concluded that players ever abused the subplasma option? i don't recall them saying that that's why they added the crystal clan. they were simply adding more ways for us to play. show me evidence otherwise.

if i were a Beholder admin, i'd tell you guys to stop the complaining or to put your money where your mouth is and walk. lucky for you, they are more diplomatic.

subplasma attacks are totally irrelevant to the targets - no harm, no benefit.
i think that every complaint about them is petty.
i will follow whatever rules Beholder imposes.
i will use whatever tools Beholder provides.

zodiac1, Miklos was responding to these same complaints back in 2016. subplasmas were harmless then as they are now.