Hozzászólások - Khine

( Regarding Fos. I couldn't quite agree more. He (and his doomlord) are just too nice *smiles*

Our messages/posts just crossed out while I was writting mine. Don't worry Gerald, I don't care about that. Apparently someone did though. Just thought it funny that it kept goind down. Guess there are things that are not very popular. *giggles*)

(When you said someone attacks lower players (30 players or so, you say.. don't want to doubt it..but i highly doubt you could get that many ... and no, using diferent character from same players do not count as different players) .. do you mean me? or Manunkind?

For if you meant me... Well, Khine has high dp set up.. and has been like that.. for.. ever. Therefore she never attacks beneath her level (she is not interested, but even if she was, the game would not allow her).. which actually leaves.. Zero targets. Cero foes. Zip. No one. Deus ez. Inork...

Regarding attacking lower level than yours.. well, no offense, my quick to anger doomlord.. being level 63.. that doesn't quite leave much to pick from.. And no, this is no insult, just a statement or fact.

And worry not about Torn... I'm just interested in numbers. I'm not a thug. But again, you seem to quickly jump into a threaten mode. That was no threat.

Regarding my "score", it keeps getting lowered...not like a care, but someone is doing it. Do I care? No, i could not care less if Beholder was to remove that politcal correct 5 and leave it down to zero. I'm too old to give a damn about that sort of crap.

You say that you care about the well-being of the game. Do you think that this sort of discussion, for a lack of a better, more fitting, words.. help the game and its atmosphere? I honestly can't see how. At least for me, it pisses me off...big time, can't speak up for others, nor want to do so.

Regarding Manunkind and his taste for young blood. His words seem more solid than what i'm reading from others who quickly rely to insults. (Wolf-packing doesn't help much either)

Do I believe he to be a saint? No.

Is he the 7 seven headed monster that eats new-borns for breakfast you want "others" to believe? I doubt it.

Has he ever used subplasma? Certainly. He even has admited so.

Does that mean that he uses it every single day to pursue/chase down "just out of the egg" doomlords? No.

Does that mean he has done something against the rules? No. Subplasma was added for a reason and discussed with the developers for long.

Do subplasma attacks hinder players in any way? No, they don't. Accept it. Or not. (but either way, they are here to stay)

Does Khine hate him (Manunkind) with all her will? Certainly, she does.

Does Khine daydream of getting his guts out and let his corpse to feed the wild beasts as the merciless Ghalla's star shines down on it while the soil drinks the blood that departs his body? Yes, yes, yes. Almost every single day.

Does that make her a "bad" doomlady (and me a bitc.. a bad person) ? Probably.

Do either of us care? Not the slightest. We both have more important issues to deal with. *giggles*




So.. after all this ... can we move on? Or do i have to ditch the forum, or at least this complain part?

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The leave the fortress to hunt for some hours. While tracking a beast , you meet another doomlord. There is no greeting. No friendly good morning. Nothing but a quick hand movement and the very thin air around you bursts into flames. You can feel some intense pain. Your gear melts under its heat. Every single nerve ending of your body screams in pain as your brain collapses from the overwhelming agony.

You wake up , gasping for air. Your eyes take a bit to focus. You are still on your bed. It was nothing but a bad dream. A very vivid but still silly nightmare.


(an alternative description to a subplasma attack.)


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In torn there is no protection. No balance or limit. Anyone in the whole server, regardless of account age or stats, can attack you, mug you, hospitalize you. The only reason why they might not do it is because energy is limited and they might have better things to do with it.

There, money can buy you anything and therefore you can be attacked for money any time (a bit like soul energy here). If we were to do the comparison, it could mean that any doomlord could attack you without limit here. And yet you assume it is fair in Torn, and it is not here to be "virtually" attacked. And we are talking about what.. 3 attacks over the year? Even if it was 4000 attacks a day... what's the real deal about it?

The main problem is the player database... and that Torn was smart to hide most attackers in reports.. it makes people happier in their ignorance. I was not able to find you in torn, dunno if you are even using same nick, but it aint big deal. I can't check how many attacks you have dished out there... but if we compare to victories over defeats, we can sure draft some clear conclusions.

I don't see how a subplasma attack pushes out of the game, while a regular mug on Torn doesn't.

Let the flame continue...

By the way, you can keep lowering my evalution score in forum. I could not care less . The cancel culture at its best. Let's continue destroying those who oppose our thoughts. Everything is legit. Insulting, making up trash. The bitterness hiding behind the safety of the screen. We ask others (stronger ones) for kindness and yet we crush others (weaker ones) under our boots. Let the hypocrisy rule.

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( Regarding torn: The example is not quite valid.

First of all, most of those attacks can not track back attackers as they will be one shot getting a "someone" killed you. And attacks do happen , more frequently due to wars and long chains needing targets.
The player database is much bigger there too.
There are public "inactive lists".
In torn level means nothing, because you can hold yourself from leveling by not accepting to level... so a level 50 can be a bigger and "less fair" threat over a level 100.

Anyways, if for whatever reason you piss someone. They can pretty much perma-hospitalize you there. While here, they can't attack you except with subplasma which does nothing. When you get attacked and killed in torn, it doesn't bother you? Or is it because you are the one attacking weaker targets there?

It might be that you just don't enjoy being at the wrong side of the spear.

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( It is clear that there is no point for me to try it further. You fellows know everything and much better than any veteran player or even than the game developers themselves.

Now you can keep talking about how unfair subplasma is and how you don't want to keep playing the game because of how unfair it is and all the psychological damage that it delivers (as it has zero impact in the game stats).

Beholder even added a new relic because of this ranting/baby crying. But it is still not enough apparently. Maybe you are too used to crying until the world magically turns into what you want. You can keep crying a whole river for all I care. The pink unicorns that give flowers to each other is further down the road.

I would love if you were to give ideas to make the game better. (Something that is not subplasma). Something that could be added , not modifying something already existing to make your own world better. Subplasma was added for a reason even if you don't want to/can't see it.

Some lowering on that quickness to insult others would not hurt. Some reading and some proper grammar and punctuation would be appreciated too.

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( You don't need support to defend from subplasma. They are not supposed to be countered. That's why they don't inflict anything on the defender. Move on, or not. Your choice. )

( Who said I was saying that the first to be trained AA skill would be Lone Hero? Khine (my character) doesn't have it. But if she was interested in attacking others, the skill would be close to free now for her.

Many things are situational. 20 AA points may seem a lot at low levels.. but eventually they are close to nothing. Same thing with Curse of Scarab. If your foe doesn't have it, obviously the skill doesn't give anything.. but you would sure remember the AA skill if they did..

The game has barely started at level 60... )

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- No need to repeat the subplasma part every single , freaking, time you are given the oportunity. If a subplasma attacks makes you want to cry, I don't want to imagine getting attacked 5,10 or 20+ times a day (losing health, pets, soul energy , etc.). Guess one whines about little problems when they are not facing anything that could be called a problem for real...
- Thanks for explaning me how support works ( as you can, or at least should at this point, I already know how it works).
- No need to make it sound like a comercial/ad about how well and packed are you in your clan
- Spiders, by definition, are much older accounts. Someone who stays back for 5 minutes, won't have any advantage. The unstoppable advantage (at that level gap) comes from time.
- It is not me who divides the effective (and not what shows there) bonus from support to a mere 5% (thus 1 every theorical 20 points) .. it is the AA skill..


cheers,
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( When Fos mentioned medals.. that was just an example. There are many more things that a spider can get. Don't start a whole "support is great" campaign because it can beat 40 medals...

-Minions bonuses
-Clan championship medals
-Personal championship medals (the least of those mentioned bonuses, but just an extra).
-Minion championship medals.


and when you daydream about how many ability points you would get from support.. don't forget to divide those great numbers by 20. So getting 50 is nice (at low level), but getting 2 doesn't sound that glorious, does it? Remember that whoever gives support loses 10% of their stats... so it is not just "a free extra".. it comes "with a price". Sacrificing someone's abilities by hundreds so you can boost your by neglectable values is not marvellous.

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(From your words I can take how many spiders you have dealt with... zero :p )

( Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't change anything. Both sides have said the same thing over and over... And it is quite obvious that neither side wants to move from their trench.

Those of us , outside of this... whatever it could be called, already got enough information to make our minds up.

If you want to keep going, your choice... If you are happy with other people not coming to forum, then go on. Just remember this is neither Dramalords, nor Forumlords. If I may suggest something... Play more the game and try less to "win" the forum.

This is just my personal thought...if you are happy with this...your call. I know for certain that I won't bother writing again on this topic. For anything else... You know where to find me...or not... *Shrugs*

Oh..forgot to mention my opinion on fairness. There is none in subplasma attacks...but simply because none is needed. They do nothing that affect the game play.

And those who claim that they would be happily taking continuous attacks from those within a reasonable range... That's a bold statement. Probably because they have never met a spider. When you do, you will understand what I mean when I laugh at the concept of fairness. There is no such thing as fairness when it comes to fighting. Deal with it. Endure it...improve...or accept your failure and sob in a dark corner.

And no...guildies' support won't help either. It takes a single AA skill to reduce it to nothingness, to the point where supporting takes more than gives. When it comes to fighting, each of us are alone. We come alone. We so depart.
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*She stares at them in silence. Her heart skips a beat when she hears Fos again. What was he doing here? She briefly stares at the blond male galekti. A smirk reaches her lips as she hears him. It was cute to see his actions of kindness and concern. His words of good will. They were so off that it made her want to hug him. Right there. A sting of guilt hits her and her smirk dies on her lips. She turns her head elsewhere. It was too painful. *

*She decides to focus on the others. Her emerald eyes show her emotions fight each other, just as the doomlords that join in continue with their senseless bickering. Eventually two emotions raise above the rest. A deep sense of sadness , like a white-blue layer of ice covering a landscape and an increasing anger. A burning wrath that demanded to destroy everything... and everyone. It was hard to tell how they once ruled over Ghalla by looking at what they have turned into. Anger is about to win when her mind steps forward. She disociates and her green eyes become emotionless once more, leaving her feelings continue their ever going fight in a distant , and less harmful, place. Her right foot moves and soon the rest of her body follows it. There was no point in staying here any more. Her voice sounds cold and lacking of any emotions when she speaks up*

-It is quite clear we won't get anything worth the trouble in here. There is no rational thoughts behind all those many words. Poor words that can't ever persuade anyone. Noone is listening. Feel free to continue this ... whatever it might be. I have better things to do myself... *She didn't have much of a clue of what she was going to do, but anything, literally anything, would be more interesting and rewarding than staying here*



( We are stuck in the same circle over and over. Some want to win with some pointless words about whether subplasma or not. I find it quite funny to claim things like "i would take fights within my level" without complaning and yet complaning to subplasma attacks. So this.. so i get this right.. So you are saying that you would rather get attacked every 32 mins , lose half life or worse from it, getting your pets killed and removed to recovery, your soul energy probably stolen, and soon failing below 15% so you can't do half things in game... over... hmm.. nothing but a red line message that you can delete? For besides that message, you are not affected at all, or at least your game play isn't.


I could understand the concern if losing a duel meant a permanent death, like getting your charactered obligerated out of existance, unable to further play him/her because some high leveler was bored enough to do the fatal click. Starting over and over would definetely be pointless and frustrating. Even if death was not permanent, but going a cooldown of recovery, or losing some permanent stats, and getting crippled out. The game would be unplayable. But this is far from the case.

If others want to use their subplasma and their attack points to get some folks that probably don't do much during whole day and get zero or close to zero soul, that's their choice, i guess.. Also as it is the choice of others who decided to drop the game. After all, games always have people coming and leaving. Unless we are so naive as to assume that any and every player who leaves the game is Manunkind's fault. So if people get bored, its his fault. If people don't know what to do or got other issues in real life, yup, Manunkind is to blame aswell.. I don't want to go to sleep, because I fear getting a few more messages of attacks during my sleep. Get real!

But the most hillarious thing, is how some people yield the sword of "righteousness", of higher moral ground, and yet, they are doing pretty much the same, or worse to others. So it leads me to think, that some stuff is right to do when it is them who do them, but it is an abomination when others do them.

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*Taps her finger tips on the wooden surface wondering how much of an honest , and direct, reply she should give back. Her emerald eyes show a mix of emotions but mostly disdain*

Maybe they stayed for too long underground. Maybe they mistook themselves for another type of critter. We were once the rulers of this planet, for better or worse. Where did our pride go?


(If players need to hide in catacombs to get enough shards to get some few AS to prevent from getting attacked from subplasma attacks that do nothing but a red line of text of you got attacked and dragged to a filthy torture chamber, then it might not be a game for them after all. I don't see how having players than do not play the game because they are scared of their own shadow , help the game at all. Do we need more players? Definetely. Are those the type we need? Definetely not. Because today they will use that lame excuse, tomorrow it will be another. We need several things, but drama is not one of them.

Maybe we need a server with pink unicorns. Who knows.. )

*Sighs deeply before talking*

Let us assume that your path crosses with her. So what? What's the big deal?

You have not a single bruise, scar, wound...
Your pets are as fine as they were before.
All your soul energy is still with you.
You are still this month's championship winner (if you were so before the visit).

So she takes you home for a visit? Not a big deal. Personally, from my many times there... I find the decoration a bit dull, I was kind of expecting something with more... class, coming from the encarnation of a goddess.. *shrugs* Guess power is not everything...

(OOC dunno when this game switched from Doomlords to Dramalords...

Jokes aside..

Clan Championship is made from several turns ( 4 is my memory is right). This can be checked on rankings (based on scores, a winning in a round clan gets 4 points and a losing clan gets 1, so if you check current ranking and scores you will see ranging from 3 points to 12 , so from those scores we have completed 3 turn and started 4th and last turn). Each turn lasts a week, so that means , a full championship is 28 days.

Only on the first day the clans are eligeble for it and if they make it to the championship they will remain in it until it ends, even if they no longer meet the joining criteria. For the same reason, if a clan misses a member and does not qualify for the championships (at day 1) , they won't be able to join championship no sooner than after the championship is fully over, (so 4 weeks)

PD just checked and the current turn is shown on the battle grid too (up center).. says Turn 4. so this is the last week for the current clan championships. On next tuesday, when clans are elected, the clan should no longer be pickable ... as long as there are others that meet the criteria.

Although since there are currently 16, I suspect it might fill with some other random ones if there are not to reach this number... or from any other clan with any active , even if the criteria is not met.. uncertain about this last part. I don't recall off head any with more than 16, so 16 could be the minimum. This last part is just my own speculation )

( Out of character : Been wondering whether I should write this or not.. but guess the idealist in me won the fight as i'm writting this after all.

I've been playing the game for quite some time. I left for almost three years (for personal reasons unrelated to the game) but missed playing it. Eventually returned. Personally I really enjoy it, else I would not be playing it. The concept is great, some mechanics could be this or that, or we could disagree on this or that, but mostly is quite a polished work. Personally, I would love to have some further choices that would force us to pick, instead of being just "great at everything", but it's beholder's idea and concept and their world, and i'm just a guest here The game is rich enough and complex enough. Challenging enough. And it even gets more fun (for me at least) when I rp it.

I would love to have more players around? Definetely. But guess that's not easy as just wishing to be. Most players nowadays want

a) not too complicated things
b) overgraphical things (even if there is nothing behind those graphics)
c) get tired of everything , way too soon and too early (zero patience, zero effort)

The game has a pvp ( player vs player) content. But if fairly minor. There is much more pve ( player vs enviroment) content . Some events are more pvp orientated than others, but even so, most are happy with crystal clones (aka non-playing characters/targets). But.. even so, there is pvp. You can be attacked any time, any moment. Accept it, deal with it. If you can't, then maybe the game is not for you. Nothing wrong with that. The same way I don't like and don't play soccer games (for example). Don't know if Beholder would consider a way to make some doomlords civilians, or what we could consider that, away from daily bloody struggles, although I would consider that it would pretty much kill some of the lore and spirit of the game, of what doomlords really are. The same way a scorpion is what it is, so are galekti.

I don't have much time lately, so honestly have not checked those too far from my character's level range / gap. But been more an underdog than a topdog/alpha all the game. The game allows enough mechanics to play succesfully as an underdog. You will still be attacked, true. And if anyone is complaining about getting attacked with subplasma, I got to say.. well, how to say it without being too offensive, maybe you should consider that this is not a game for you. Subplasma is an ingame mechanic to solve certain problems. If it did affect players more than the message and the "got dragged to torture chamber", with real effect I mean, like losing hit points (making unable to do anything else from being too wounded), or getting your pets obligerated , then it would be a totally different issue. As it is , it's more a mental thing than anything else.

The real game starts afterwards. When you get attacked and take wounds, when your pets can be hurt. Subplasma is a joke. But it is also a good thing. It will warn players that this is a pvp game. It is not one of those games where you can be crushed to oblivion until you can no longer play it, or you can no longer advance, or worse, when you lose things that you already got/achieved. But even so, there are some measures , some lessons to be learnt. Being an underdog takes some attitude too. Accept defeat, improve, learn from mistakes. See and think what you could do better , what other doomlords are doing. You can also try to talk to other doomlords, but remember, that they also have their own will to choose how they want to play the game.

And no, torture chamber gains are neglectable. Even from very active players. An extra? Ok. But nothing that will make you godly just from it. Most high level players you see are strong because they are old accounts, not because they got outrageous gains from torture chamber. As you raise in level and strenght, the gains from most things are way superior. Holding yourself, hiding in catacomb, or not playing because you fear giving away some tiny ammounts of SE to others is hurting your gameplay more than anything else. Fear can kill more than blades. And no, you can perfectly play without needing to use Ancient Stones to prevent attacks. I did not prevent them. I took them. Many of them. My character still gets attacked many times a day. Big deal. I have continued. And many of those doomlords that were once stronger, are still down there. They might feel strong in their tiny world. They might feel powerful in the land of newbies. If they are happy with that.. fine with me *shrugs* The game mechanics does not allow my character , now more powerful than them, to crush them like the bugs they are... but it is fine too. I don't believe in revenge. For me they are nothing. The same way it doesn't bother me when i see a real spider on its cobweb as I move on. Each to their own.

Sometimes I listen to some players complain. Complan about things that they don't like , and yet, they are doing exactly the same they say to dislike to others. So in the end, it might be, that they don't like losing, while they sure enjoy "beating others". Maybe they need to give their own lives a reason. Maybe they enjoy that. Fine, i guess. Who am I to judge them? I know I dislike that, but each to their own. I know why I play this game. Maybe everyone should ask themselves what exactly they are playing it for.

If all your troubles are getting sub-plasma attacked, then my dear fellows, you don't have a clue of what being a doomlord is... and if so, I do wish you the best.

As my character would say.. "until our paths cross again."

Cheers)

*It's been quite a long time since she visited the building for the last time. One of the very few buildings from the old times. From the era when they were more powerful, but mainly, definetely wiser. The outside still reminds of that glorious past although now looks far less busy than it used to. The heart of her race. The race she very much hated almost as much as she hated herself. *

*She steps in, up the long stone staircase that leads to its entrance. The surfaces have lost their original shine and the heavily clouded skies don't help on this regard, but she can still feel somewhat overwhelmed by what that construction once meant. Her steps echo through the empty hallways. She goes by artifacts, no longer working and noone able to fix them anymore, of that previous,long gone, era. What once was impressive now had become oppresive. She hated coming here. With every new step deeper into its foul stone-made guts , it became more obvious. She hated this place more than she hated her specie, and even more than she hated herself. And yet, she was here ... once more.*

*The magical wards that once protected the building are no longer working and she could had warped right into the core and skip all this agony. But that's not how things were done. She was part of all this decay. There was no point in just skipping it, trying to naively ignore it. Endure or perish. Overcome , somehow, it or ditch it. She was still alive and that was some of the price to pay for it. She now felt more lonely than ever before. Or maybe just as lonely as she had been for most part. A small smirk makes it to her lips. Elder gods, how much she missed them. Just meeting either of them right there... it could cheer all her mood all of a sudden. *

*She daydreams for a while and somehow, she makes it to the very core of the building. Some voices bring her back. As always, just bickering. As if fighting each other was not bad enough. Sighs as she crosses the gap where once all-mighty 20 feet tall doors stood. She stares down at them. Trying to identify anyone in the small crowd. Not a single familiar face. They were strangers. Or simply she was the stranger there. She is about to turn around and depart when her green eyes catch a familiar face. She had not recognized him out of his combat outfit. A vicious smirk came to her lips as her emerald eyes shine with amusement. *

*He remained calm , almost surrounded by ... doesn't even bother to count... just enough . Too many for her preference. All were just shouting and trying to ... what were they exactly trying to proof? It was hard to understand anything as all of them were loudly talking, shouting even, at the same time. All trying to get ... what exactly? His attention? She stared at them for a bit longer. Her eyes remain locked into them with the light of clear amusement. As much as she hated him, oh elder gods, she did, she had to admit that seeing him there, standing in total control of the situation made her admire him. A bit. More than a bit. Why was that? She hated him. She was slightly confused by her contradictory feelings. She mentally evades, after all, the conversation was impossible to follow. Instead, she tries to chew her thoughts and feelings. To put some order into the chaos. She hated him. Deeply. She would love to snap his bones and kick his belly, or better right into the groin. But.. that was nothing new. They had been enemies for.. a very long time. Even before ... her portal had messed up her life and made her, still unsure how, skip some years. *

*She remains still, resting against the unpolished wall as she tries harder to understand what it was. And suddenly, as if removing a valuable gem out of the mud, she understood. As much as she hated her own kin, she still needed them. She only felt fully alive when fighting over her life. Defeats, which were common, helped her more than victories. Defeats told her that she needed to try harder, to improve. She had faced many enemies before and eventually had overcome most of them. She did not want revenge over them. And in that very moment she understood the reason. Once she was able to defeat them, she totally lost interest in them. There was nothing more to learn from them. *

*She returns to huge hall with a broad smile on her lips. It seemed like whatever was happening there would continue for long. Too long. She had better things to do. And now she had another reason to do them. She was certain that she would meet him again. Soon enough too. In a different place. In a different mood. In his combat stance and his combat gear. Again, she would get defeated. Again the pain. Again the bitterly taste of defeat. Again the dislike of her dragons staring at her in silence. The humilliation of defeat once more, like a sticky and foul ooze that stained her mind , daring even, to stain her soul. But there was a valuable gem in there too. Inside that mud. Her smile becomes broader. One day. Yes, one day. She would become strong enough to kick his ass. She was looking forward to that moment. Not for the soul energy, she barely cared for that. Yes, one day she would see the unbelief in his eyes. Yes. She was going to enjoy it . Maybe that day will never come, but that did not matter much. What mattered was that she had a reason to push herself further. And she held to it as she had little else to hold to in her life. *

More targets should be joining the war as time goes by. *The redhead adds from a quiet corner, her green eyes still focused on her book* Some news take some time to spread and to reach ears.

Regarding, whether it is a waste of your time or energy, that's your choice to make. After all, life is all about the choices we make... and the consequences that come from them. *shrugs slightly as her eyes lose focus for a brief moment, deep in her memories*


PS you can also play around with duel point setting, and that would likely add more targets (if you are capped to just attacking higher targets) but yes, I know... that would be another "waste" *winks playfully*

Any time estimation on this? The AA skill is still at L10 max?

What are the rules applied in case of a tie? For I see no real stated rule for it.

I was at L111 before, and dropped when someone reached it too? I believe that in order to drop below, I would have to be "surpassed", not just tied, for I was already there... BEFORE!