i can only conclude that you are deliberately obtuse.

manukind i really dont know how many ppl have to explain that to you and for how many years.seriously i start to think not that you dont understand but you actually enjoy ppl to say to you how pointless are you attacks.seriously your question remaining why ppl complain about your attacks?and still you not only contunue them(although you finally admitted that you dont gain anything) but you wonder why ppl complain?honestly what did you expected to say to you"thank you,dont forget toattack me again tommorrow and everyday from now on"?maybe you are the one that is obtuse.

maybe.

you are attacking players with more than 200 lvl difference and your question is why they complain on the complain section?seriously?

maybe players with 200 lvl difference should thank you?or may be you finally admit tha you are obtuse?

( Regarding torn: The example is not quite valid.

First of all, most of those attacks can not track back attackers as they will be one shot getting a "someone" killed you. And attacks do happen , more frequently due to wars and long chains needing targets.
The player database is much bigger there too.
There are public "inactive lists".
In torn level means nothing, because you can hold yourself from leveling by not accepting to level... so a level 50 can be a bigger and "less fair" threat over a level 100.

Anyways, if for whatever reason you piss someone. They can pretty much perma-hospitalize you there. While here, they can't attack you except with subplasma which does nothing. When you get attacked and killed in torn, it doesn't bother you? Or is it because you are the one attacking weaker targets there?

It might be that you just don't enjoy being at the wrong side of the spear.

)

"Anyways, if for whatever reason you piss someone. They can pretty much perma-hospitalize you there" true on that but none is doing it there unlike here that some players targeting only low lvl players which by the way dont gain anything.
"When you get attacked and killed in torn, it doesn't bother you? Or is it because you are the one attacking weaker targets there?"no it doesnt bother me since you do know that fights are different there.also i never attacked a much weaker or a new player there or here so dont talk to me like being a bully since i am clear not and you dont know me.now as you said you can permantly hospitalize there if you piss someone and attacking daily a new player will lead you to that,here manukind is expecting to thank him for attacking someone that is 200 lvl below him.also since you know the game let me remind you that there you cannot see the stats of the others although you can understand if he is a new or an experience player.and since yu mentioned torn if a lvl100 starts hhitting daily a lvl 10 be sure that as you said will be permantly hospitalized and not just from the lvl10 clan

harmless.

khine i am playing battleknight for almost 2 years.we hold the big castle from the moment i joined my clan there.the only time i was getting hit by much higher lvl was only during the clan wars for the big castle and after the upgrade even this is not necessary now since the system chooses the opponents for the battle(and guesss what.....the system choose opponents on the same lvl). the only time i have fought much lower players was only for this reason there and i can say that in general this is the only time that higher players were hitting low or new players for the obvious reasons.some of us like to challenge our characters against real players on our lvl and not bully the new players.here seems that the opposite is happening.so dont assume that all of us playing like manukind (and his friend as have been told) and target only much lower players.some of us actually like to challenge our characters with actual ooponents and not afraid to be hit during the fights

ask Khine if i only target low-level players.

The leave the fortress to hunt for some hours. While tracking a beast , you meet another doomlord. There is no greeting. No friendly good morning. Nothing but a quick hand movement and the very thin air around you bursts into flames. You can feel some intense pain. Your gear melts under its heat. Every single nerve ending of your body screams in pain as your brain collapses from the overwhelming agony.

You wake up , gasping for air. Your eyes take a bit to focus. You are still on your bed. It was nothing but a bad dream. A very vivid but still silly nightmare.


(an alternative description to a subplasma attack.)


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In torn there is no protection. No balance or limit. Anyone in the whole server, regardless of account age or stats, can attack you, mug you, hospitalize you. The only reason why they might not do it is because energy is limited and they might have better things to do with it.

There, money can buy you anything and therefore you can be attacked for money any time (a bit like soul energy here). If we were to do the comparison, it could mean that any doomlord could attack you without limit here. And yet you assume it is fair in Torn, and it is not here to be "virtually" attacked. And we are talking about what.. 3 attacks over the year? Even if it was 4000 attacks a day... what's the real deal about it?

The main problem is the player database... and that Torn was smart to hide most attackers in reports.. it makes people happier in their ignorance. I was not able to find you in torn, dunno if you are even using same nick, but it aint big deal. I can't check how many attacks you have dished out there... but if we compare to victories over defeats, we can sure draft some clear conclusions.

I don't see how a subplasma attack pushes out of the game, while a regular mug on Torn doesn't.

Let the flame continue...

By the way, you can keep lowering my evalution score in forum. I could not care less . The cancel culture at its best. Let's continue destroying those who oppose our thoughts. Everything is legit. Insulting, making up trash. The bitterness hiding behind the safety of the screen. We ask others (stronger ones) for kindness and yet we crush others (weaker ones) under our boots. Let the hypocrisy rule.

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lets clear something.first of i dont downvote comments that i am not agree but i do downvote comments that i found that insulting me.i have actually upvoted your comments on the clan support when you explaining things.so dont blame me for that.
secondly regarding torn.what you said about the attaks is true. but also the mentality of the players is different and that you cannot deny.and yes one reason is that the energy is limited(still enough since regenarate fast enough) but if someone attacks you and dont get anything (which if you know how to play the game this will happen 99%) he will not bother again to go after you unless there is another reason.here even if you dont gain anything (and this have been clear by now) you have the high lvls attacking low lvls daily.in torn attacking players that dont play will not give you anything (maybe some victories needed for some events,which is easy victories to do the event).in torn there even list with players that have left the game(although you can easily find them and make your own list) so you can do the events without bothering anyone(and still make money) not to mention that there are more active players.here you had 80 players reduced to 50 (and propably keep reducing for many reason not only because of manukind attacks)and although tasks can be done with inactive players with the same gains some choose to target active new or low lvl players daily util they leave the game for no special reason(they have the same gains if they hit and active or an inactive player.)
as for you looking for me in torn,i dont know how many years you have been playing but it would be wise not to try to attack me.cause either if we go one on one or if you want to go clan to clan or even if you want to do the bounty war you dont have a chance.i dont have aproblem losing fights but i do have a problem with obsessed and arrogant players.the problem here is that the game have potentials and more thing to do but the mentality of some players is that they have to ruin the game for other.one question to you.how many new players have you seen that actually came and stay in the game for a long time?cause as i see on the clan champinship and on the championships the new clan and players dissapear very soon.
and in torn attacks are not hidden(you have reports exactly like here) if you mean that the attackers name is hidden this can be bypassed easily.in clan you have players with different jobs and there is a job that can reveal the attackers name.since you have been playing you know what i mean and this is not the place to discuss about another game tips.i think you will agree on that

"We ask others (stronger ones) for kindness and yet we crush others (weaker ones) under our boots. Let the hypocrisy rule."first of all i dondt ask anyone for kindness but for fairplay.secondly which one exactly have i crushed?give me an example otherwise stop accuising me for hypocrisy cause this what you do when you blame me for things i dont do.i dare you tell me someone not on my range that i have crushed daily or even once

i can ask another 30 players at least that will agree that you hit mostly low lvl players.just go back on the post and you will see how many have complained about your attacks.yo will call them all liars?

Idézet: eivor - 2025.03.23. 10:59:18

Don't know about the "mostly" part... But Manunkind attacks half my clan every day... And they ar Higher level than him.

khine
"you can keep lowering my evalution score in forum."it is logical when ppl dont agree with you to downvote your comment(or not bother at all).and the subplasma attacks as you see affect many low lvl players that dont agree with you thus youe down vote.but if this is so important to you i will upvote all your comments even if i dont agree with some of the things you said?will this make you happy?
"Let's continue destroying those who oppose our thoughts".destroying you because they dont agree with you?destrying you because thya down vote your comments?so why dont you say also "Let's continue destroying those who challenge us on the clanchampionship,or that are new to the game or that are mch weaker than us?"your complain is about your score on the forum,and yet you support the attacks on the low lvl and the new players that are actually on the game.
and third.i dont see fos comments been downvoted since he speaks with logic and also i have seen that you post on the clan supporting subject that we were talking before havent been downvoted since probably players either agree or found them usefull

(When you said someone attacks lower players (30 players or so, you say.. don't want to doubt it..but i highly doubt you could get that many ... and no, using diferent character from same players do not count as different players) .. do you mean me? or Manunkind?

For if you meant me... Well, Khine has high dp set up.. and has been like that.. for.. ever. Therefore she never attacks beneath her level (she is not interested, but even if she was, the game would not allow her).. which actually leaves.. Zero targets. Cero foes. Zip. No one. Deus ez. Inork...

Regarding attacking lower level than yours.. well, no offense, my quick to anger doomlord.. being level 63.. that doesn't quite leave much to pick from.. And no, this is no insult, just a statement or fact.

And worry not about Torn... I'm just interested in numbers. I'm not a thug. But again, you seem to quickly jump into a threaten mode. That was no threat.

Regarding my "score", it keeps getting lowered...not like a care, but someone is doing it. Do I care? No, i could not care less if Beholder was to remove that politcal correct 5 and leave it down to zero. I'm too old to give a damn about that sort of crap.

You say that you care about the well-being of the game. Do you think that this sort of discussion, for a lack of a better, more fitting, words.. help the game and its atmosphere? I honestly can't see how. At least for me, it pisses me off...big time, can't speak up for others, nor want to do so.

Regarding Manunkind and his taste for young blood. His words seem more solid than what i'm reading from others who quickly rely to insults. (Wolf-packing doesn't help much either)

Do I believe he to be a saint? No.

Is he the 7 seven headed monster that eats new-borns for breakfast you want "others" to believe? I doubt it.

Has he ever used subplasma? Certainly. He even has admited so.

Does that mean that he uses it every single day to pursue/chase down "just out of the egg" doomlords? No.

Does that mean he has done something against the rules? No. Subplasma was added for a reason and discussed with the developers for long.

Do subplasma attacks hinder players in any way? No, they don't. Accept it. Or not. (but either way, they are here to stay)

Does Khine hate him (Manunkind) with all her will? Certainly, she does.

Does Khine daydream of getting his guts out and let his corpse to feed the wild beasts as the merciless Ghalla's star shines down on it while the soil drinks the blood that departs his body? Yes, yes, yes. Almost every single day.

Does that make her a "bad" doomlady (and me a bitc.. a bad person) ? Probably.

Do either of us care? Not the slightest. We both have more important issues to deal with. *giggles*




So.. after all this ... can we move on? Or do i have to ditch the forum, or at least this complain part?

)

( Regarding Fos. I couldn't quite agree more. He (and his doomlord) are just too nice *smiles*

Our messages/posts just crossed out while I was writting mine. Don't worry Gerald, I don't care about that. Apparently someone did though. Just thought it funny that it kept goind down. Guess there are things that are not very popular. *giggles*)

khine to answer you back.
true i am lvl63 so my option to "crush" as you said players are limited but i do have choices from active players.i choose not to ruin the game of others.even with the subplasma task i can do it with inactive players(easy to spot them).it is my choice not to ruin the game of others.on my range?there is another thing.i challenge my self with players that are slightly stronger then me(i am not suicidal to duels with someone that has double abilities and all the clan bonuses,lol) and i do think that i challenge them to improve to beat me.
regarding torn.i think you misunderstood me.i was not on a threating mode.like i said on any game that i play i avoid ruining the game for others unless they provoke me.my statement was that in torn i am not a new player or an easy opponent and it would be catastrophic for both of our characters if you choose to provoke me( not duel me,but daily attacks will provoke me).regarding the numbers i have lost track on win and losses.too many wars too many opponents.
Regarding your score.seriously do we care about the score here?this is actually have no effect on you on the game.lt is logic since many have been upset on the subplasma attacks to downvote comments that suport them and upvote the ones that dont support the subplasma attacks with so much difference.i dont understand why this troubles you or even care about it.but i can upvote all your comments if this is to relax you,honestly i dont care if my comments upvoted or not but if this important for someone let me knwo and i will upvote you.
"do you mean me? or Manunkind?"personallly since i have been attacked by manukind i mean obviously manukind.if someone has problem with you i dont know and i dont care to be honest(he can talk to you,i will not speak for him).
"His words seem more solid than what i'm reading from others who quickly rely to insults"we agree to disagree on that.manukind words dont sound solid to me but provoking and sometimes mocking.insults from the other?well maybe because manukind is provoking those insults?who knows.but i dont think that someone wakes up and say "what i will do today?lets insult manukind".manukind is not so innocent and for sure not the victim in here.
"Does that mean that he uses it every single day to pursue/chase down "just out of the egg" doomlords? No."let me disagree on that.not only from personal exprerience but from what i have read also from older posts
Regarding fos?well his answer i call them solid.sometimes i agree sometimes not so much(i do went back to check his older post.lol).but stillhis answer were solid,respectfully and not provoking.maybe this is why he wasnt downvoted.who knows?but honestly who cares about the score on the forum?

"His words seem more solid than what i'm reading from others who quickly rely to insults. (Wolf-packing doesn't help much either)"so you think that attacking someone that is 200 lvl below you daily and mock them will not lead to insults?when manuki have hit me and call me liar i dont have the right to be upset?and ia m not talking about other i am ttalking about his attacks on me so to call me a liar is simply mocking and insulting.btw what wolf packing you mean?manukind was attacking whole clans for days.dont you think that players have the right to speak?did you see anyone "wolfpacking" against you or fos since they dont have anything to compain about you?as for teh downvoting.i downvote post that dont agree or find them insulting and upvote post that are respectfully expressed(even if i dont agree sometimes) or that i found usefull.assuming that other do the same is logic some of your comments to be downvoted as for the subplasma.some of my post also downvoted.so i care?no.does the forum numbers affect my game?no.do i care about my score on the forum?again no.