Idézet: nhsos - 2025.03.19. 18:29:49

I'll just leave this copy of an AA battle skill

Lone hero:

Your opponent's support has only 25%/15%/5% (depending on AA level) effect when dueling with you (only when not in war).

Max. level: 3

Cost: 20

In short, support is wonderfully useful against oponente level 59 or lower... After level 60... It all depends if the person has the ability of not

i will partly disagree on that fos.first of all i dont think thta anyone had this AA as piority other are more important(i could be wrong though but it is a players choice).even the 5 % is better than nothing and the clan support boost can be a huge advancement when you are defending in normal battles.but i will agreee that the downsize to 5 percent is an option that reduce the possibily of the clan support but not eliminated.additionally i wouldnt (and this my opinion) i wouldnt attacks somone that has all his abilites booosted by 50 per cent(which in a normal diel could mean that it would be a lot stronger than me) counting on that possibility.althoug sometimes i do chalenge my self dueling stronger opponents than me to see where i stand and maybe change my strategy.

fos i prefer those odds on a normal range duels instead of pointless attacks from someone that is 200 lvl above me just to feed his ego.

"And those who claim that they would be happily taking continuous attacks from those within a reasonable range... That's a bold statement"
this is not a bold statement this is a logic staement.in a normal range duels you can adapt on a duels with someone that is 200 lvl above you there is nothing you can do

(From your words I can take how many spiders you have dealt with... zero :p )

Agree with you 5% is better than nothing, it's just not the miracle worker it could have been. Btw, I wasn't talking about duels with people with 200 levels of difference in particular, I was talking about duels in general

Yeah, spiders are scary as hell! Uber powerful characters at level 20, with 40 championship medals, wonderful.

so what your point?i should be thankfull to someone that is 200 lv above me instead of taking my chances even with a spider on my normal range?not to mention that with so few active players i dont think thta even if i wanted i wouldnt have met many spiders.plus you can lvl up and leave them behind do you know how much time will talke even to reach someone that is 200 lvl above you?years...unless he stop playing which will be sooner

fos i think he was telling the same thing,just pointing out that clan support on such a huge lvl difference is useless.
khine i have met and fought many spiders.with support and adapt your strategy you could turn things around after a while.ofcourse you both have to have the same clan bonus which in case of enzio it is a minus since his clan from what i saw dont have the full clan bonuses yet.

40 medals mean 40 on his abiliies,clan support can give more.but this is not the point.when you fight a normal duel you can change weapons,see what ability need to imporove etc.you have options to change things.on a duel with someone that is 200 lvl above you you cannot do anything.so yes i prefer my chances against someone on my lvl than someone that is 200 lvl above me

i agree.40 medals will give a spider 40 to his abilities clan support can eliminate them since you get a boost with max 50 percent of your abilities.so if you have 100 in one ability you will get additional 50 maximum.that means the bonus from the spiders medals is eliminated

( When Fos mentioned medals.. that was just an example. There are many more things that a spider can get. Don't start a whole "support is great" campaign because it can beat 40 medals...

-Minions bonuses
-Clan championship medals
-Personal championship medals (the least of those mentioned bonuses, but just an extra).
-Minion championship medals.


and when you daydream about how many ability points you would get from support.. don't forget to divide those great numbers by 20. So getting 50 is nice (at low level), but getting 2 doesn't sound that glorious, does it? Remember that whoever gives support loses 10% of their stats... so it is not just "a free extra".. it comes "with a price". Sacrificing someone's abilities by hundreds so you can boost your by neglectable values is not marvellous.

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khine you in some parts correct.
regarding the clan support.a high lvl can give the whole support to a low lv,dnt forget that there is a limit on how many abilities you can receive.i have gven clansupport in the past to new mebers on my clan,i wouldnt mind and didnt effect me much but it did helped a lot my clansmate on defending(causeclan support works only when defending just to be clear on that,when you attack someone clan support dont work)
regarding the minios you are right in very low lvl does effect but if you are on a normal range duel the both should be able to have minion.yes the spiders minions propably would be better and better equiped(which mean more extra abilities) but unless the spider havent been 1 or 2 years on the same lvl the bonuses from the minion could be reasonable and partly defendable.
mionion championship medals both can have but you are right that a spider will have more.
Noone said that clan support will make you unbeatable against a spider.but it will give better defence chances against a soider and even better on a duel with a normal player on your normal range(even if he is stronger).especially in low lvl player clan support can make a lot of difference.
"don't forget to divide those great numbers by 20. So getting 50 is nice (at low level), but getting 2 doesn't sound that glorious, does it?"there is no need to be divided by 20,how you come up with that?example. a lvl 20 with all of his stats lets say at 300 can rise his stas to additional 150,right?a high lvl of lets say 150 give cln support to him and he can reach the max.also dont forget that more than one can give support to one player(ofcourse is easier when i high lvl support cause not so many other member would be affected.)
" so it is not just "a free extra".. it comes "with a price"."noone said the opposite.it all goes down in if your clan works as a team or they have joined just for the clan bonuses.on my clan many times we have given clan support to new mebers to help themifit was needed.that men being part of a team that help each other

noone said that clan support will make yu unbeatable.it will help you a lot on defennding against strongest player on your normal range.propably noone thought the stupidity of certain players that attacking daily player that are 200 lvl below them for no reason and no gains

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- No need to repeat the subplasma part every single , freaking, time you are given the oportunity. If a subplasma attacks makes you want to cry, I don't want to imagine getting attacked 5,10 or 20+ times a day (losing health, pets, soul energy , etc.). Guess one whines about little problems when they are not facing anything that could be called a problem for real...
- Thanks for explaning me how support works ( as you can, or at least should at this point, I already know how it works).
- No need to make it sound like a comercial/ad about how well and packed are you in your clan
- Spiders, by definition, are much older accounts. Someone who stays back for 5 minutes, won't have any advantage. The unstoppable advantage (at that level gap) comes from time.
- It is not me who divides the effective (and not what shows there) bonus from support to a mere 5% (thus 1 every theorical 20 points) .. it is the AA skill..


cheers,
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clan support was made for this reason.to help weaker players to be able to defend againt stronger player on a normal range duels.ofcourse would eb a price that you clansmate would have to pay if they wanted to help you.thi is why it is called "clan support".if your clan works as a team some high lvl or even on your lvl will help you,if you are on a clan just for the clan bonuses dont expect any help even from the ones that can without costing them anything.
regarding the lvl of obsession and stupidity of some players noone could predict it.this is a game that make you have some fun for some is just a mean to express their obsession since they issues in RL or maybe they need to feed their ego.

khine i didnt understand that you mean if the other have the AA ability that reduce the clansupport to 5 per cent.but low lvls i think they start to gather AA point after lvl 65 and even then it is not logical to spend the AA point on that AA skill since they are others more usefull(like deep learning,warrior or mage spacialization,aura od skin evolution etc).on much higher lvl some might choose to invest on that but i think few will do that.

even if it is 2 or 10 or 50 points from the clan support is better than fighting the obsession of someone that is 200 lvl above you.and for the record i have no problem losing a fight from an opponent within my range,khine.

In short, improve, improvise, overcome. There are indeed better AA abilities than the lone hero one ( as you said, deep learning is one of them), but we can never be sure what people will do. If a player wants to attack another and loses because of support, then that AA ability might start to look like an interesting strategy... Is it the best strategy? In my opinion no, but it's a viable one... I'm more adept of the improve one self, taking a closer look at the soul energy per experience point ratio and finding ways to improve that ratio... Deep learning is a hell of a great start.

Oh, and you get AA points starting at level 60.