i have a question, i've been told the relics drop in order.

1. Transcendal focus
2. Magic Absorber
3. Orb of Duel.

If this is true, then i have problem as i have 1 and 3 but not 2???

Zarknod to finish soon.
Apparently, you are awarded the SE you put in originally+ interest basically.
But, the earlier you put it in, the more you get out (the more interest).
As in, it gives you back all the AP you spent on the SE (not battles, I'm not sure on that yet), but instead of giving you the average SE per AP you had when you put it in, it gives you the current average SE per AP back.

I'm trying to work out the maths on this:
If 1 AP =1200 SE when you build 10k Used SE but by the end of the event, the AP is worth 2000, it means that every AP spent you will get 800SE profit.

So say it took 400AP to get to 10k Used SE, that's 400*1200= 480000 SE you spent.
But your average AP is at 2000, that's 400*2000= 800000 SE you get back.

That 800k SE goes straight into AP, but it works out that you gain 320k more SE into attributes than you would get if you directly put it into attributes.

For me, 1 attribute costs 6970.42 on average (no ultra spec) and say that goes up by 300SE each level... I need to break out my statistics book... to get +20 on all my stats (an estimate of what I think i will get) 70(2*6970.42+69*250)=2,183,359

I would say I have put:
47*7000= Average SE per AP =1925.8
46*12000= Average SE per AP = 1712.4
45*8000 = Average SE per AP = 1655.5
44*5000 = Average SE per AP = 1657.4
39*4000 = Average SE per AP = Guess of 1000
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1617000 SE into this event.

The average SE each AP was when used on this event was 1654.165
My average AP currently wields 1739.161 SE (with 8% trapping and 100% spectral, despite it normally being a 12% trapping... raising it to 1925.... but I'll skip that and go with what the system thinks I could get)

1617000/1654.165= 978AP used on this event. Each AP gives (1739.161-1654.165)= 84.996 SE profit. In total, this event has given me 84.996*977.5325= 83086 SE profit.

83086+1617000= 1,700,086 SE on attributes.

1700086=n/2(2a+(n-1)d)
3400172=n(13941+250n-250)
13691n+250n^2=3400172
n^2+54.76328-13600.69=0

QUADRATIC FORMULA STUFF

n=92.41

I believe I will get +92 attributes:
+14 to all stats and one with +15

Then, I will get like 10BOAS and +1 luck because I've only killed 50 monsters.

I am extremely interested to know if these attributes account for specialisation/ultra spec, or if it includes them anyway. I have heard that it is the cheapest way to buy attributes in the entire game, so perhaps it awards the 30% reduction whether you have the skill or not. Also, whether the average SE from AP is based on history of the players actual hunts or if a computer works it out...

This is of course based on a LOT of guesstimations (and I've probably made an error somewhere too), including the fact that the method of the change in average SE income is the only thing varying the rewards/if it affects it at all....

Hell, the event might even be over by the time I've written this... it was at 15k left last time i checked lol... Good to know if I was close at all though


EDIT:
Haha... Whilst there is 2k used SE left to go until the event is over I get this message...
You have won the battle, your reward is 713 soul-energy and 66 XP!
You channel 2009 soul-energy through the manapylon (-81366 SE). For a moment, you see a far picture of a slumbering giant creature, its body bombarded by energy bolts.
You find the following treasure in the bag of the defeated creature: transcendal focus.
YOU COULDA GIVEN ME THAT 52 FIGHTS AGO

EDIT:
I was a long way off...

Used SE: 44.325
Effective charge: 38.174
Monsters beaten: 53

+36 Strength, +36 Attack, +36 Defense, +36 Constitution, +36 IQ, +35 Magic, +35 Thaumaturgy
27 Burnt-out ancient stone
(As a bonus for your outstanding performance, you will get +1 luck as well.)

Pleased to have the highest score in ability though at this moment in time . Time for some payback on the ones who were attacking me!

The theory could still be right, but it could include ultraspec on every attribute, as well as another bonus i don't really know.

nice score phalanxi

i dont think this event was worthwhile based on my inc

Your reward for participating in the event:

+19 Strength, +18 Attack, +18 Defense, +18 Constitution, +18 IQ, +18 Magic, +18 Thaumaturgy

on the formula Keithos posted i put about 900k into the event and these stats awarded are worth less than what i put in and that doesnt include the aps, i also increased about 5 levels during the event

pretty dissapointing event i think.

I think it depends on the time that you put the SE in. My calculations took the best part of an hour and there's alot of jumbled up info on a spreadsheet too. But if you put:
10 AP at level 40,
10AP at 41
20AP at 42
700AP at 43, you will get much less SE profit than if you did:
700AP at 41
10AP at 42
10AP at 43

I think it was worth it. Though 71 of my attributes are fairly rubbish battle wise (constitution and magic), they will save me 20k SE from the quest and help my manaconstruction...
If you put in 900k and got out 127 attributes that means an average attribute cost 7086SE via this method.

Perhaps you did get a little screwed, though it does depend on that 900k being right.

by my calculations i "lost" 100k se (not counting the -5% infection)

max hunt skills + ultraspec >> any type of zarknod event. will stay away from another even like this in the future.
also Zarknod screws up the new event.. ppl who got Oo abilities here will get top 3 spots in new event in "most abilities increase". w1 missed on that, and w3 will also, but whatever

Welll, i figured it wasnt worth more than 30 wins a part, but that got messed up because the 2nd relic is actually worth having. SO, true to life in general, once an item has worth, it seems luck departs and i have spent 60+ victories looking for part 2 relic to no avail.. thats way over budget and kinda pissing me off since i didnt want to waste this much time on it. Here's hoping the end reward is worth the angst of never getting the drop I play it for now.

Idézet: Phalanxii - 2010.10.12. 23:11:00

im pretty sure it is right, i actually think its quite a bit higher than 900k and ive been in or close to the top 10 for effective charge pretty much the whole event, and considering my mag and con stats were less than 3k a point prior to the reward i defo got more than a little screwed.

i new this event sound suspect from the beginningm no real info everything very vague and no accountability to it with the crazy formulas

i wish id listened to myself and ignored it rather than been ripped off by it.

I'm pretty disappointed too. The invested effort (xp gain, se) doesn't pay out. Another point is that for some reason this event seem to be unbalanced. I found it was pretty hard to participate in this event when you're low level. Se doesn't come that easy like in high levels.

My conclusion: If you're a fighter, you are well advised to stay out of this events competition for most fights. the received penalty in xp you get in exchange doesn't pay out. do only the min. to receive the relics.

Idézet: Phalanxii - 2010.10.12. 19:30:45

another point is that number of fights compared to invested se is not equally rewarded.

My result looks totally screwed up:
Used SE: 16.865
Effective charge: 18.326
Defeated creatures: 335

~ +19 to all abilities (+ 130 bo as who doesn't count as reward for me, because I can buy as if I want to.)

No. In the 1st phase you can loot the Transcendal focus. The secon phase the magic absorber and the transcendal aswell. In phase 3 you can get all the previous ones plus the orb of duel. It is random what type you'll find.

Also about Zarknod:

Congratulations to the winners and heads up to the ones that think they messed up their characters with the event. Note that Zarknod will be held sometimes again so you can have a second chance to get a better reward. Also note that even if you think you received less reward SE in attributes that you'd normally gain by hunts and buy - but you may have been loot relics that are advantages towards the ones didn't participate in the event.

Idézet: D00ml0rd - 2010.10.12. 22:57:29

How do you figure those stats are worth less than 900k? My ability bonuses were +16 or +17, and I estimate the total value a bit over 800k. You have higher (and thus more expensive) total stats than me, and you got higher bonuses, so your total value should be over 900k, I would think.

For my part, I think I put in about 650k, so I got a profit of roughly 150k. I killed 135 critters, which means 270 APs. So that translates into a bit over 500 SE / AP over and above what I got at the time of killing the critters. Overall, I think it turned out to be very close to break-even for me. The relics were definitely worth it, though, so for any W3'ers out there, I would recommend at least participating enough to get all the relics.

Idézet: Kyril - 2010.10.13. 04:37:58

Keep in mind that when they say "Used SE", they don't mean that's how much SE you actually used. That's how much SE you put towards freeing Zarknod, which depends on your level and horde. Since Phalanxii is way higher level than you, he put in a ton more real SE than you did. My guess is that the rewards are based much more on SE contributed than number of creatures defeated.

Idézet: ImLittleJon - 2010.10.13. 05:08:12

ok well my mag and con were both 2k ish per point, even with 18 each they still only a little over 3k. so lets say average cost for those 36 points of 2700 per = 97k
36 points to to others were 10k without spec so will say average of 13k cos they 16 now 470k
36 points were around 8k thats 280k

thats about 850k total worth of points allocated, my last calculation of the Used SE/multiplier put my spend at 947k and i had put more in after that calc and i still think this is low, i put nearly 100k in my first few days of event and have been puting about 10 to 20k per day since with only a day here and there missed.

i also killed same amount of crits as you 135.

luck i dont care about that its a non stat as far as this event is concerned, i didnt get the last relic despite my best efforts and a load of wasted aps last few days trying and i dont care about the first relic, the magic absorber was worth getting but thats it for me

for me this event sucked, i wish i hadnt let myself get talked into it (thanks heaps Kethos)

i got screwed, my fault cos i knew it was dodgy from beginning, maybe if i was a moderator i would have got better result but i defnately lost on this. I was in top 5ish for stats before this event for quite some time nd ill be lucky to be on first page once everyon es collected

event was a rip off, despite what kethos says i would recommen d everyone to think very carefully before particpating in another form of this rip off event

Idézet: D00ml0rd - 2010.10.13. 05:55:44

Okay I won't let this going on again.

I said in the beginning that it is your decision to participate or not. I had positive experience after my first Zarknod so I told the players what I have seen.

You think I got "better rewards" only because I'm a moderator? I'm a regular player just like everyone else. I suggest you not to suspect me like that. It's sorrowful that you see things this way.

If you want to see my rewards, scroll back some pages. You said you "lost" in this event. Do you know the complete formula that calculates the rewards? No. Do I know it? No. I told you to try to keep the balance between used SE and effective charge. That's what I did.

Events aren't made to only "give" but to take aswell. We got rewards like attributes, luck, -infection, relics, potions, rings, SE from the gnomes.

If you really want to calculate, count all the above in the formula aswell to get a complete one.

Idézet: D00ml0rd - 2010.10.13. 05:55:44
I also didn't like the vague information, but it was worth it for me.
On world 1 I got ~2M invested and the ability increase was equal to ~3M for me.

Also D00ml0rd, haven't you invest into abilities during the event? If it's so, the reward gets smaller. After the event finished, I got +24 to all abilities. I didn't accept it, but I invest into my attack first few times and when I wanted to accept the reward afterwards, it got smaller (like +23 to all)

Hrus, it's based on SE, so the SE you spent on those points into attack = the soul energy deducted

The soul energy gained in attributes is constant once the event is over, but the cost of increasing the attribute raises, so effectively, the gain in attributes diminishes. That explains why players with high attributes who put lots in get much less increase than low attributes with lots of SE input.

So if you had 100k worth of attributes from the event, it could equal +2 to all stats, but put 3 levels in attack to go from 100 to 103 and the number required to do +2 to all stats goes up, so you can't afford to do +2 and instead do +1's.

If there was a complete list of costs of attributes from 20-whatever (or even a formula) then it would be easier to generate a better estimate of what someone could get.

So, I don't think investing into abilities during the event has a lot to do with it (not with what you're talking about anyway, the developers might have included it). It's only after you are awarded the attributes (but not collected) that the attribute reward changes.

Idézet: Kethios - 2010.09.21. 13:43:48

Can I ask how you know that? Or is that just a guess? Curious really if that's how it really is calculated.

I think my reward is over 3 million SE.

Idézet: D00ml0rd - 2010.10.13. 05:55:44

OK, that's 6 of the 7 abilities accounted for. Hope you don't do your own taxes.

A piece of additional info:

Being in both top10s doesn't give you two event rewards
However, being in 1 top10 and the winning horde does give you two rewards.

I'm a little sad, because I tried hard to stay in both top10s...

Idézet: ImLittleJon - 2010.10.13. 05:17:49

1) it's not a coincidence that the top players (higher levels) are in lead. I doubt that this is really well balanced.
2) as I mentioned before: the number of fights compared to invested se is not equally rewarded

next time, different strategy - that's my conclusion after participating in this event. hope rules stay the same ...