"you have drawn an incorrect conclusion" so again your saying is that everybody are lying or dont understand correct etc.lets see the facts.the moment someone disagree with you on the forum the next day he and his whole clan getting daily attacks from your lapdog.now this hapenned not only once ad not only in one clan but to every clan that even one players disagree with you.even if a complain about a subplasma attack is not referring to your attack(but ofcourse you jump to justify it and actually expect the low lvl to thank you or the one that attack him for your or his attack) still he or she and his or her clan(espacially of the whole clan is below lvl60 and you have at least 200 lvl difference) is targeting daily by your or your lapdog like it happen with catwoman.and imagine that catwoman not only didnt make any complain but she didnt even refer to you.manukind your actions and your lapdog actions only proves that you again lying

as you finally seem to be accepting the truth that i have not used any subplasmas since the 20 i used in january, you have moved the goal posts and now want to blame me for others using subplasmas.

i have never asked anyone to attack on my behalf.

when you continue to complain about something after you've gotten an explanation and an answer from admin, yeah, that's whining.
subplasmas are legal to use against any level at any frequency for any reason. they are harmless.
complaining interminably doesn't change any of this.

i have never suggested anyone should thank me for my attacks.
i have never lied to you, not even once.
you just don't like the answers you're getting.

the fact that you havent used(as you say) subplasma but you send others to start hitting the ones that disagree with you its even worse manukind.and who said that you havent used subplasma to hit low lvls?even you have admitted it.just because you stop in february and start your buddies doesnt change the fact that you were hitting even players that are lvl20 and on daily base.And it is already proven that you did more than 20 in january( that also prove that you have lied)
"you just don't like the answers you're getting"when you say to someone that you have attacked that he misunderstood or you call him a liar then ofcourse he will not like the answer because it is a lie.
"i have never asked anyone to attack on my behalf" you can stop with that cause noone believes you,especially the ones that getting hit and the ones that left(but anyway those also dont care about your lies anymore.you complete your purpose to drive them off the game.)

"i have never asked anyone to attack on my behalf." thanks for the laughs.say it more times and you might believe it yourself

"as you finally seem to be accepting the truth that i have not used any subplasmas since the 20 i used in january, you have moved the goal posts and now want to blame me for others using subplasmas."you have done more than the 20 that you claim you did to lower players....much lower players as is already proved by the assasins before you drove them off the game.your buddies started the daily attacks on everyone and his clan that have disagree with you it is also a fact.to pretend that you have nothing to do with it, could be funny if it wasnt so pathetic and tragic

i have never lied to you. i have never asked anyone to attack on my behalf. subplasmas are legal to use against any level at any frequency for any reason. they are harmless. you just don't like these answers. complaining interminably doesn't change any of this.

repeating the same post doesnt change the facts manukind.you post have already been answered.reposting it will not convince anyone.you lies have been proven by many players and not only now.too many players complained about your attacks and some of your clansmate(not all).did you ever wonder why players complained only about you and your clansmate attacks all the time?and you still insist on the same silly excuse?
"i have never lied to you."well this has been proved another lie to add to your other lies.enzio,catwoman,cassandra and some others in the past have been proved you are lying.oh wait my mistake according to you they misunderstood your attack(i stll dont understand how can someone misunstand that you have attacked him though )
" i have never asked anyone to attack on my behalf"seriously?you will insist on that?it just happened the daily attack started to anyone and his clan the moment that disagreed with you?
"you just don't like these answers"what answers?thelies and silly excuses like "the game force me to attack you?
"they are harmless"considering how many players complained and left the game because of your "harmless"attacks we can debate about that.also let me remind you that those attacks are also pointles but your servents keep doing them daily or until the new players leave the game.

repeating the same complaints doesn't change the facts. i have never lied to you. subplasmas are legal to use against any level at any frequency for any reason. they are harmless.

first of all youhave lies about making only 20 attacks this has been proven and that is a fact.the facts proved your lies and also the cassandra call you out for your lies
" they are harmless." obviously what you and your lapdogs do is not harmless since the only thing you manage with your daily pointless attacks is to run the game for the nes players and drive them off the game.if this is your goal,then you doing a great job but dont complain after that you dont have enough players.and i repeat again those daily pointless attacks to players thta are 200 or 300 lvls below not only are stupid and obsessive but you dont gain anything either way.unless you are afraid the competition from the new players.you dont need to worry a lvl30 will never catch up a player lvl200 or lv300 so you will not have to face them on a normal fight.

When we say that subplasma attacks are harmless and that they can be safely ignored, we are talking from a gameplay perspective... The losing character doesn't lose hit points, doesn't lose soul energy and their pet isn't harmed.The effect on the player can be, indeed severe, depending on the person... And the more seriously they take the game, the more severe that effect can be ( just a theory can't know for sure)... In my case, I love the game, I'm highly involved with my character, even roleplay it to bits, but in the end I take a very light hearted ( even if completely driven by efficiency) approach to the game... I guess that makes me ( the player) see defeats in a different way.
I think this is the big issue player harmless vs character harmless. Don't have a solution for the player part, unless everyone, suddenly decides never to use subplasma again.

i agree with you on the technical part fos.but when you see a lvl300 hitting daily a lvl30 for no reason besides that he might beat him in an auction or that his clan is doing better than his clan on the clan championship oe disagree with a highlvl playeror for any other reason that the low lvl player making an effort(cause i remember that the assasins were always active and usally on the top on the clan championship) then why should the lvl30 stay on the game?when he sees that any effort that he is making is just pointless and becoming an obsession for someone that is 300 lv above him with daily hits?this is not the only game(although to be honest that kind of obsession i have met only in this game).he will move to another gamewe play a game to have fun(at least most of us) not to become the obsessions of some stupid players that they tranfer their issues in RL to the game.as for the subplasma when you have some "players" to use them daily on some low lvl players for the above reasons this is problem.i think it was suggested to be a limit on how much lower lvl you can hit with subplasma. but again some "players "have a problem with it cause as they claimed they wouldnt have enough targets for their task(which it was a lame excuse for hitting daily players with 200 lvl difference) if it was arenge of 50 lvl for example.
and (this is my personal opinion and i could be wrong)i dont think that the dev when thinking the subplasma they design it for lvl300 or200 to attack daily lvl20 or lv30.but like i said this is my personal opinion on this

legal and harmless, no matter how many times you post.

Idézet: Subzero77 - 2025.04.07. 16:25:14

There have been suggestions like the one you described, there have been suggestion to remove the tasks that require subplasma ( manunkind suggested this, if I'm not mistaken), I suggested at some point being able to sacrifice subplasma instead of using them in duels... There have been suggestions in removing subplasma altogether... Non was accepted, suplasma is working as the developers of the game want it to work... And I'm not seeing that being changed... I already gave my personal opinion in what to do with subplasma defeats, but that's just me, yours is different and I respect it... But quite frankly the only option left ( assuming that people still want to remain in the game) is to try the diplomacy, and that is a matter that requires believing in one's word.

yes, i've suggested removing the tasks more than once (although as we're seeing, those tasks drive some of us more than others). i've also suggested limiting the range to triple or even double normal range, but Beholder seems satisfied because subplasmas are literally harmless.
as a player, i will use the tools available to me, and subplasmas remain perfectly legal for any range, frequency, and reason.

pointless attacks,no gains,noe reason to be done except to drive new players off the game and feed your ego.no matter how many timesyou post it this is the answer that you will get

first of all manukind.you say you suggested the subplasma task to be removed(and i believe you on that) what will it change?you say that the task force you to attack with subplasma?the task can be performed without even bothering active players since ither way you will have the same gains.no manukind,it is your choice to target active new players until you make and your buddies make them leave.
"i've also suggested limiting the range to triple or even double normal range"basically this suggestion also has no point.the normal range increasing as you lvl up so you suggestion is to be able to attack with subplasma(at your lvl)someone that is 150 lvl below you?but lets ignore that.whatis the reason for you not ding that on your own and instead you choose to target players that are 200 lvl below you?as you see manukind it is your decision to hit active new players.noone force you to attack a player that is lvl25 for example while you are lvl above 200 or 300 like your buddy.and not to mention that even the task dont force you or your buddies to attack daily the same players with 200 or 300 lvl difference.this is your obsession.

fos let me explain some things.although we agree on many things.but:
"there have been suggestion to remove the tasks that require subplasma ( manunkind suggested this, if I'm not mistaken)".the task can be done without hitting active new players but NPC(crystal clan) and you will have the same gains without discurage the new players.not to mention that the task dont require daily hits.also the task dont say to use subplasma to players with 200 or 300 lvl difference.this is manukind and his buddies choice.
"I suggested at some point being able to sacrifice subplasma instead of using them in duels"this could work only if some "players wasnt so obsessed on hitting players with 200 or 300 lvl difference.

my reasoning is irrelevant. i will not explain it again. subplasmas are legal. subplasmas are harmless.